Aperture Monitoring

Hi, all.
I was poking around trying to see exactly what Aperture is doing when I'm trying to scroll around a zoomed image and the Shadows/Highlights adjustment is turned on, and what I noticed was an increase in CPU utilization from around 45% to around 90-95%.
Using the Open/GL Driver Monitor that comes with the Developer tools, I see that the one item in the list causing this is "CPU Wait for GPU". Ok, so I knew that already but at least it empirically confirms my gut feel.
The next step is to see what Open/GL commands are being executed during these times, as that would shed light on whatever it is the GPU is not able to do quickly. Does someone know of such a tool? Or does someone already know which Open/GL commands are causing this slowdown problem?
Cheers,
ALF

You want to look at the OpenGL Profiler (Should be somewhere in the XCode/Developer tools)

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Sorry, but we do not know the answer. The setup with
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OS X, rather than because of anything to do with
Aperture.
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third..
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i just could find how to prevent that from happening
I am not at my work setup right now, but look under
Apple/System Preferences/Displays.
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or
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Paul
Right click in the desktop area of computer. Then click properties then settings. You should see TWO MONITORS in the top window.
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HTH
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No shortage of bugs in this corner of the orchard.
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