Aperture on G5 with GeForce 6600 or GeForce 7800 GT

Hi,
Can anybody tell me how much faster Aperture is on G5 dual-core 2.3 with the GeForce 7800 GT compared to the standard GeForce 6600 on this machine?
JO

I moved to a MacPro.

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Hi,
Can anybody tell me how much faster Aperture is on G5 dual-core with the GeForce 7800 GT compared to the standard GeForce 6600 on this machine?
PM G5 dual core 2.3 6600 Mac OS X (10.4.6)

I realize that this is a 7800 vs 6600, but just wanted to add......
A buddy of mine came over with his MBP (ATI X1600 video card) with Aperture installed. The sliders on the MBP were much smoother than my Quad (Nvidia 6600) as well as scrolling thumbnails. The Loupe tool also reacted better, but still had some lag time, although not as jerky as my Quad.
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http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=8 D19F826&nplm=MA438Z%2FA
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The better question is "What is Apple going to do?". There are many of us that bought the new Quad, when it was first announced, with the Nvidia 6600. We have been left out in the cold. We were given a spec sheet that was wrong and no we are told that there are, NO UPGRADES!!
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Aperture was in the same order with my Quad, so Apple knew what I was getting and why I was getting it (Photo work). Yet 6 months later, Apple has yet to contact any of us with this issue.
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It says on the box? Hmm.
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Both the X1900 (R580) and the 7800 GTX (G70) are capable GPUs on advanced cards, both targeting and supporting Shader Model 3.0. 3D was a focal point in development for either card.
Approaches for shader implementation are very different between the two cards.
Arguements for either abound, but, 3D performance will be a defining factor to show shader prowess.
Architecturally, the cards are very different, but, in the end, memory bandwidth, an important performance feature, is highest with the 7800 GTX; 54.4 GB/s vs. 38 GB/s for the Mac Edition Radeon.
The next X19xx card, the X1950, almost doubled memory bandwidth over the X1900.
I know guys that use flashed X1950 (512 MB) cards really like them.
Support of DirectX 9 and Shader Model 3.0 make either card more than is necessary for OS X Core Image and OpenGL requirements.
You bring up a very important point regarding application specific performance.
Games are one form of benchmark, but not always indicative of real world performance.
In Photoshop, CS4, the 7800 GTX is a fully supported card, whereas the X1900 (256 MB) card is not supported. The 512 MB version of the X1900 is supported, but doesn't help owners of the Mac Edition.
There are pros and cons with either card, eventually driver and OpenGL support being the defining point.
Early driver issues with the X1900 in OS X and a relatively short retail availability likely affect the lack of empirical data on the cards performance.
The following, though comparing a X1900XT (not the little brother X1900GT which is the G5 version) with a Geforce 7800 GTX on platforms other than Mac, the comparisons do show pro oriented application performance.
Though not necessarily applicable to OS X and PPC Macs, I thought it to be an interesting set of tests.
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/cpu/nvidia-vs-ati-on-amd-and-intel.html
Either card is great, either is way better than the 6600, and, as you point out, availability is an important factor.

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