Aperture Vault and Dropbox?

I was wanting to put my Aperture Vault on Dropbox.
I attempted to move it to the dropbox folder in it's own folder, but when I change path it says 'not a valid vault'
If I double click it, it launches aperature and wants to restore it. I would like to not run the restore because it's a huge vault and it might take a while.
I don't want to create a new vault, because I did that and after 24 hours it still wasn't done (135GB of stuff)
Any tips/tricks?

Well I kept experimenting, finally moved it back to where it was and it still didn't like it. Evidently something got corrupted.
Are there any tools to 'repair' the vault? i see how to repair the library, but nothing to scan the vault.

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Aperture Vault and Time Machine

Does anyone know how this will operate ?
Will the Aperture Vault be TM 'unaware' ?
Roger

I guess there'll be a new 'vault' mechanism, as TM backs up your hard drive and vaults typically reside on another drive. whether or not TM can work with other drive I don't know.
Perhaps vaults will remain largely unchanged and be used for recovering entire projects or libraries, and TM will allow you to go back through previous version of the current file, or restore individual images that you may have deleted.
Regards
Steve

Time Capsule, Aperture Vault, Folders

I'm considering acquiring a Time Capsule to replace my WD NAS, which is clunky, unreliable, and absurdly slow. My Aperture library seems to constantly become corrupted by my using the NAS both for Time Machine backups and as a duplicate stoarge place for my Vault.
I understand a TC will allow me to backup using Time Machine. But will it also allow me to set up seperate folders, one for an Aperture Vault, and another for storing documents or other material outside of my Mac's hard drive? I also backup incrementally using Superduper and a portanle USB HD. Does anyone know if I could do additional Superduper incremental backups onto a TC? (That's a lot of backing up, I know, but I'm paranoid about losing my stuff)
OSX 10.9.1
Aperture 3.5.1

The TC will have exactly the same issues as the WD NAS.. it is designed specifically for Time Machine.
Constant corruption of a library is due to network disconnections which over wireless are to be expected.. wireless is not a reliable media for holding open files.
You can use the TC to mix files and backups..
See Q3 here.
http://pondini.org/TM/Time_Capsule.html
But I don't see you getting any further down the road to reliable use than you have now.

Is there a need for Aperture Vaults if I'm using Time Machine and/or SuperDuper?

Hey all
What's the benefit of Aperture Vaults if I'm using Time Machine or SuperDuper for my regular backups?
John

John,
Aperture vaults are snapshots of a certain moment. So you can create a collections of vaults saved at specific intervalls, say one each year, or before you upgrade your system. If you keep your older vaults, you will be able to restore images from many years back. If your library is huge, you may only notice years later that an important image got corrupted.
Time machine backups are very convenient and you can go back in time easily, but you can never be sure, how much back in time your backup will go. You have no control over which older versions will be deleted, when TM runs out of space.
Clones are great, i.e. if you create bootable clones. This way you will be able to revert to a previous system without reinstalling. With respect to Aperture libraries cloning your library will give you the same benefits as vaults.
My experience tells me, that a mixture is good. If you can, keep three backups, and not all in the same place.
I keep one backup at my office and two at home. I have a bootable clone, a TimeMachine backup, and occasionally create a new vault. My most important images are in my dropbox and synced to all my macs.
regards
Léonie

Need help in distributing Master Folder (all my original pics), Aperture Library, Aperture Back-up, Vault and Time Machine

I have a desktop iMac and three external HDs. One HD called Aperture Library (2T) now has Aperture Library, Time Machine backups and Master Folder, which is where I put my RAW files of pictures I want to keep. A second HD called Aperture back-up (1T) has another large Master Folder. This was created a long time ago when I was using Lightroom. I plan to transfer pictures on to HD Aperture Library > Master Folder so I will have 1 Master Folder. A third external HD called Vault (1T) now only contains my Quicken b/u.
I have not made a vault yet for Aperture, because I am in the process of exporting files from Lightroom and bringing them into Aperture 3. What a mess, especially because I was not able to use my photo apps (Lightroom or Aperture) for a few months and forgot the do's and don'ts. Please help me organize this stuff while I have the time and motivation. Greatly appreciated.

Note that Masters need only be backed up once (but to multiple backup locations) and that backup should happen immediately after copying to the hard drive from the camera card, before involving Aperture or any other images management app.
Time Capsule is an ongoing regular-routine backup process. Image originals instead need irregularly timed backup, once.
IMO referenced Masters make far more sense than building huge managed-Masters Libraries.
• Hard disk speed. Drives slow as they fill so making a drive more full (which managed Masters always does) will slow down drive operation.
• Database size. Larger databases are by definition more prone to "issues" than smaller databases are.
• Vaults. Larger Library means larger Vaults, and Vaults are an incremental repetitive backup process, so again larger Vaults are by definition more prone to "issues" than smaller Vaults are. One-time backup of Referenced Masters (each file small, unlike a huge managed-Masters DB) is neither incremental nor ongoing; which is by definition a more stable process.
Managed-Masters Libraries can work, but they cannot avoid the basic database physics.
HTH
-Allen Wicks

Aperture Library and Vault: Why the difference in size?

My Aperture Library is 226 GB and the Vault that's supposedly backing it up is only 144 GB?
I recently upgrade from a G5 to a new Mac Pro. The Library is intact but has something happened after I updated the vault? I can't remember if the vault size was so much smaller before I transferred all the date from my old Mac to my new one. Should I delete everything on the external hard drive containing the Vault and create a brand new vault?
Advice welcome.

A bit late, but just thought I'd add to this. Tidysteve is right, the previews can use up a lot of space. If you're using hi-res previews, they're effectively a JPEG of the same dimensions as the original file, so they can be quite big. If I do hi-res previews for my DSLR they can be up to 4 or 5 MB each so it could definitely explain the big difference.
Try rebuilding your previous at a smaller size. BUT, do it when you've got nothing else to do and walk away for a while as it will take a loooong time.

Does aperture vault update just add new photos and information?

I am wondering if the Vault function when updated will just add the new photo(s) and new adjustments or replace the entire vault. I have already copied the entire library as a back-up on a different external. Was planning on just manually updating the files but wanted to try out the Vault. The information is unclear that it only updates NEW photos and info while keeping the vault and just adding.... Any answers would be great. Thanks...

Seattle,
I think I understand your question, but I got a little fuzzy after reading this:
The information is unclear that it only updates NEW photos and info while keeping the vault and just adding....
Anyway, when you perform the "Update Vault" function, Aperture does replace the vault. It updates the vault such that it reflects changes to your library since the last time that vault was updated. With a large library, but only a few changes, the vault update is pretty quick.
nathan

After i restoring the vault and finish the restore the aperture pop up icon said : a problem was encountered when attempting to restore from this vault. Please ensure that the has the appropriate permissions and try again.

after i restoring the vault and finish the restore the aperture pop up icon said : a problem was encountered when attempting to restore from this vault. Please ensure that the has the appropriate permissions and try again.

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About Vault and a simple copy of Aperture Library

I have a Vault in an external HD and my Aperture Library in another external HD. I have observed when I open Aperture and forgot to turn the external HD on that I have first to turn it on and re-write the route in Preferences.
My question is: If I have a copy of my Library instead a Vault and in case of losing the information that I have in the main HD I simply changed the route selecting the second HD. Is it the same?
Regards.
Guillermo

I just bought a new MBP and I'm looking for some clarification about the library/vault when using more than one Mac with aperture. I don't always want to be stuck carrying an external HD around with my laptop. Will the following thought process work....I backup my library on my mac pro to a vault on an external HD then transfer that vault to my new MBP. If I'm on the road and make changes to the library on the MBP I would need to sync with the vault on the external HD and then sync the external HD with the library on my Mac Pro desktop to maintain identical libraries, correct? I was thinking that I would need to do this to maintain multiple copies of my library but also to be able to do final editing with my desktop and cinema display. I guess I could also just connect my cinema display to my MBP and use the 17" & cinema displays for final editing.
Thanks for any comments/suggestions.
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I updated my vault, and now it's gone from the aperture listing

Aperture 3.3.
Have my vault on an external USB drive. Updated it. the Vaults says it was modified tonight.
When I looked at the bottom of my Library tab, usually my Vault is listed. Now there is nothing. I click the Hide Vaults and Show Vaults. Nothing. I look around for a way to put the vault back in there without recovering it, therefore recreating my entire Aperture Library.
It was creating my previews when I last looked.
How do I relink the Vault to my Library, or doesn't it matter? Should I just create a new Vault and toss the old one?

OK. Update here. I quit Aperture. Opened it up again and the Vault was there. Weird.

Difference between vault and backing up aperture library

i have been trying to understand the difference between simply backing up in aperture via the vault and just backiing up the aperture library file.
my workflow involves backing up the original raw files to DVD and also backing the raw files to an external drive. i keep only raw files that are in progress on my mac book pro.
when i complete a project, i just copy the aperture library file from my mac book pro over to my external drive and also back up the aperture library file to a dvd, too. that way i have the raw files backed up, and the aperture library files backed up.
is this sufficient enough or do i need to set up a vault, too?
mac book pro 1.83ghz core duo Mac OS X (10.4.9) 2GB RAM

I have written about the various options for backing up Aperture images at length:
http://maczealots.com/articles/aperture-backup/

"Error Importing Library: The library could not be imported because it is from an out of date version of Aperture 3. Please upgrade the library to the latest version of Aperture 3 and try again." Help.

I'm getting the following Error message when trying to import some of my folders from my external hard drive. This is not happening with all of my photos. How can I access my photos? I now have Aperture 3.5, but I'm guessing I exported those with an earlier version of Aperture 3? I have a Mac Book, OS X 10.9
Thanks!

My advice is for libraries, not vaults.
To be able to use a vault, you have to restore the library from the vault and then open the restored library.
To restore the entire library from an external backup disk
Connect the hard disk drive that contains the most up-to-date vault to your computer and open Aperture.
Choose File > Vault > Restore Library.The Restore Library dialog appears.
Choose Select Source Vault from the Source Vault pop-up menu.
If necessary, navigate to the vault from which you want to restore, then click Select.
Click Restore, then click Restore again.

Aperture Vault or Time Machine

I just migrated from being a long time Windows user (and using Lightroom) to my first iMac and Aperture.
Just beginning to import my images into Aperture and had read a few posts about "vault" which I assume is Aperture's way of backing up either it's library or the master files.
If this is the case - and I am using Time Machine to back up the entire iMac drive - what is the advantage of using vaults also?
Thanks, Steve

Note that Masters need only be backed up once (but to multiple backup locations) and that backup should happen immediately after copying to the hard drive from the camera card, before involving Aperture or any other images management app.
Backup of Masters does not get complex with Referenced Masters, it is very simple because it is already done before ever entering Aperture. Vaults of course are used to back up the Library.
Time Machine is an ongoing regular-routine backup process. Image originals instead need irregularly timed backup, once.
IMO referenced Masters make far more sense than building huge managed-Masters Libraries.
• Hard disk speed. Drives slow as they fill so making a drive more full (which managed Masters always does) will slow down drive operation.
• Database size. Larger databases are by definition more prone to "issues" than smaller databases are.
• Vaults. Larger Library means larger Vaults, and Vaults are an incremental repetitive backup process, so again larger Vaults are by definition more prone to "issues" than smaller Vaults are. One-time backup of Referenced Masters (each file small, unlike a huge managed-Masters DB) is neither incremental nor ongoing; which is by definition a more stable process.
Managed-Masters Libraries can work, but they cannot avoid the basic database physics.
HTH
-Allen Wicks

Aperture 2 and iPhoto

Hello,
Does anyone know if when you import iPhoto pictures into Aperture 2, does Aperture copy over the originals into the Aperture Library, or does it just create thumbnails in the Aperture Library.
What I am trying to determine is whether or not Aperture creates another copy of the iPhoto images or just references them in the iPhoto library.

Thanks for the response.
When I launched the iPhoto Browser in Aperture and then drag an event into Aperture, it creates a new project and then looks like it generates thumbnails as well. So it look like dragging from the iphoto browser to Aperture copys the files as apposed to reference them. I verified this by right clicking on the new project Aperture created and clicking on "Manage Referenced files" and got a response that there are no referenced files.
I wonder if there is a way to select to keep files in their original location.
What I am tryin to accomplish is to maintain all originals in iPhoto and let Aperture reference them. That way Time Machine can maintain the backup database from iphoto instead of maintaining a seperate backup through Apertures Vault.

Backup Storage - Aperture Vault versus Time Machine versus daily SuperDuper

What value does dumping the Aperture library to an Aperture Vault give in addition to running Time Machine to one drive and a daily SuperDuper copy to a second drive with irregular SuperDuper copies to an external drive that can be removed from the machine room.

SImon,
Vault and Time Machine address different needs. Probably you will want to have both.
The advantage of Time Machine: incremental backups of previous versions, very compact storage. And you can integrate it into your regular backup of the whole system and include the regular masters as well. But the disadvantage: Time Machine decides for you, what will be deleted, if the backup drives get full. You do not have control over what will be saved and what not from the previous versions.
The advantage of vaults: You can make full backups of your library for well defined moments in time - snapshots of important states. I'd create a vault, whenever I make a major upgrade of the system at least.
Is there anyway of cancelling a stuck Vault update other than the sledgehammer approach of Force Quit?
If the graphical user interface is unresponsive, like when updating a vault, you can use the Terminal to send the "termination signal" to Aperture: Sometimes this will succeed, even if the "Quit" button does not work:
Look for the Process ID of Aperture in the Activity Monitor (launch Applications > Utilities > Activity Monitor" and click the CPU heading. This will bring Aperture close to the top of the list. Make a note of the PID number in the first column, in this case 66550.
Launch a Terminal window and enter the following command:
kill -TERM 66550 (insert Aperture's PID instead of 66550)
This will send the "Software Termination Signal - TERM to Aperture, the same as pressing the "Quit" button should do, but send it directly, and not from the GUI that is unresponsive. This way I always succeded in cancelling a vaul update without force quitting. Not all processes can be terminated this way, however. The Terminal.app is also in the Applications > Utilities folder.
Regards
Léonie

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