Aperture vs. Photoshop Gamma setting

Hello,
the first step of my retouching process in Photoshop consist of setting the gamma value between 2.2 and 2.7
As you can see on the image here under, the range is going from Black=0 to White=255, middle being 1 (non linear scale)
On the other hand, the gamma range in Aperture is linear (B=0 to W=+1, middle = 0.5)
Now, if I want to set the gamma value of my process in Aperture, what should I enter ?

Hi Kirby,
Niveaux stands for Levels, with N = noir = black, G = gris = gray and B = blanc = white.
Setting the gamma consists of setting the middle tones (i.e. G or middle case), what ever the software.
Your explanation for the % is interesting, but... disturbing !
If the default position of G correspond to a Photoshop value of 128 in Aperture, then it's not a typical gamma value. But I realize that I misled you... for sure.
I tried something that I forgot before posting my previous message (my big mistake !)
In Photoshop, if I "completely" move the middle cursor, the left most value is 10, the right most value is 0 (and not 0 to 255 as I was simply thinking...)
In Aperture, if I move the middle cursor, the left most value is 0, the right most value is 1
To summarize :
Photoshop : [10 ; 0], middle = 1
Aperture : [0 ; 1], middle = 0.5

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