Aperture vs PSE8 vs iPhoto

I have all three SW's on a Mac and have three questions:
1. Is there really a difference between Aperture and PSE8 when it comes to basic photo manipulation? They both offer SW for use with RAW images but at least with PSE I can do some broader and deeper manipulation. Am I missing something here?
2. When bringing images into computer which SW is best for the initial filing? I don't particularly want three libraries with the same images in each.
3. I was told by the Apple guys to keep away from Bridge. Is this Apple people pushing Apple SW is there a legit reason?
I like iPhoto because it's just plain easy (limited functionality) but easy. Aperture (and Lightroom for that matter) don't seem to offer more than what I have in Elements.
Looking forward to your takes on these questions.
Thanks,
Ken W

Hi,
I too have the three softwares on my system and i have tried all of them. As you said, iPhoto is plain easy with limited functionality. And ofcourse what Aperture and lightroom serves as editing features, PSE is a superset with alot of wow features extra. It serves much more than just sliders and simple spot healing brushes. Smart brushes, guided edits, recompose tool, layers , cool filters/effects , photomerge groupshots, exposure merge, scene cleaner etc. There are a plenty of such editing features which you would not find in Aperture. Initially i was little skeptical about using non MAC editing application so used Aperture for long but now i would simply say PSE8 does not have any comparison with PSE. And i have not faced any issue with Bridge as well.
So from the time I use PSE8, I use that only. I really wish Adobe introduces the full Organizer application for MAC as well as it do for Windows.
~V

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Dennis
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