App running in Rosetta or Universal Binary

Is there a way to see if an app is running under Rosetta or Universal Binary AFTER you have launched it?
i am aware that get info for the app will tell you if it is a native UB or PPC app.
for Ex: i am running Adobe After Effects CS3 which is UB, but it will run under Rosetta if some 3rd party plugins are installed. I wanna be able to "check" to see if it is running under Rosetta, or universal.
thx!

Utilities > Activity Monitor. In the window that displays the CPU processes the Kind column will show Intel or PPC. (By default this column is all the way on the right, so you need to widen the Activity Monitor window or scroll right to see it).
Hope this solves your problem...

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[Intel] Any list of Universal Binaries and apps running under Rosetta?

Hi!
Sorry, I'm not sure about posting into the right group, but found no other place with similar threads...
I just try to figure out if all my apps will run under Rosetta or are available as Universal Binaries (and how much will the vendors charge for them). It's really a pain...
Do you folks know any web site or forum with a "Rosetta compatibility list" and an overview about available Universal Binaries?
I will not consider a change without e. g. a working backup solution (Retrospect), AppleWorks, EyeTV and a few other apps...
Bye, Matthias
iBook G4, Mac mini Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Mike,
AppleWorks seems to work unter Rosetta (referring to
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=314806
My greatest concern is Dantz' Retrospect and I haven't found a testing or even an information a Dantz' web site, yet.
But replacing my iBook with a MacBook wouldn't happen in the near future anyway...
Matthias
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Graphics apps running under Rosetta

I'm VERY unhappy with the speed of Rosetta. Graphic apps like PhotoShop 7 run at 30% that they do on my G4 iBook.
I didn't buy a new Mac to run applications at one-third the speed.
AND.... I notice that even with 1G of RAM, running just two or three applications (like Mail and Safari) takes up almost all the RAM. Same apps running on my iBook leave a LOT of RAM.
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I believe that it is on option when you order to get 1x1GB chip or 2x512MB chips. If you got it from a local Apple store, it will be 2x512MB.
I re-read your post and didn't realize that you already had 1GB. I used Photoshop last night and think that I confused speed with GUI responsiveness. Doing processor intensive things like unsharpen mask did seem a bit slower, but not too bad.

IPhoto open with app running in Rosetta - super slow

Hey, just wondering if this is normal, or if it's something I should be looking into. I had Suitcase X1 open today and noticed my iPhoto running excruciatingly slow...could barely get it to open. I opened my app monitor and noticed that everything on my iMac was Intel except for Suitcase which was using Rosetta. So, just for trial and error, I quit that app and viola, iPhoto was fine. Has anyone noticed this? Is this something that Rosetta does? The odd thing is that iPhoto was the only app with any noticeable performance decrease. I also had Photoshop open and that was fine, as well as Safari. It just seemed to be iPhoto. Is this a problem that's common? I tried to locate something about it and could find nothing. Thanks for the help.

You know, I just went and tried to repeat it and couldn't. I used iPhoto and it was fine. I then went and launched Suitcase and it was still fine. So, with that in mind, the only thing I can come up with is, perhaps the file I had opened in Photoshop was consuming a lot of resources and those were making iPhoto lag...perhaps it wasn't Suitcase/Rosetta at all. Weird that it seemed to cure it when I quit it, but perhaps that was just coincidental. Thanks for suggesting that I try to recreate it, to see if that was the problem or not.

How to tell if an app is "Universal Binary" i.e. Intel-compatible?

I have various freeware and shareware apps on my new MacBook Pro which I "migrated" over from an old PowerBook G4 which I had been using until getting my new MBP last week. To whatever extent possible, I want to avoid using old PowerPC-chip designed apps, since they'd have to go through Rosetta translation in order to work, but using Rosetta extensively slows down Snow Leopard's snappy response time.
So, I want to make sure that each app is designed to be Intel-compatible. And if it isn't, I will try to track down a newer version, or if there aren't any, then find a replacement app that will do the same function.
However, I don't have documentation or "read me" files for most of these older share/freeware applications, so it's not easy to tell just from "looking at them" whether or not they were written in Universal Binary (or in some other Intel-compatible way). One could always look at the date the application was made, and if it's really really old, then one could assume that it's not Intel compatible; and if it's really really new, then one could assume that it is compatible. Unfortunately, most of the apps are from that exact transitional period when some apps were made for PowerPC, some for Intel, and some Universal Binary, etc. -- mostly they're from the 2006-2009 era.
So: Is there some method for "peering inside" applications to see if they're written in Universal Binary?
As an example:
I have a program called flvThing 1.0.1. If I control-click its icon, choose "Show package contents," then go flvThing>Contents>MacOS>flvThing, and do "Get Info" on the excutable file therein, it says "Unix Executable File (Universal)." Does that mean that it was written in Universal Binary?
If that's true, can I use this same method to peer inside most/any apps and see if they are a "Unix Executable File (Universal)"? Or is there some other method for finding this out?
Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks.

Yow! That was easy! Thanks. Worked like a charm. "Solved."
Two follow-up questions:
1. I see five ancient apps listed as being "Classic." I presume that I might as well Trash those right now, since no Classic apps will ever run in the Post-Snow-Leopard world? None of these five Classic apps are important or necessary, so trashing them is not a problem.
2. Some of my Intel apps are listed as being 64-bit, and some as not 64-bit. Should this concern me? Does it matter? I presume that both 64-bit Intel apps and non-64-bit Intel apps will both work perfectly fine on my i5 MacBook Pro 15" -- right?

Will non-universal-binary Logic+plugins run on an Intel Mac?

Hi,
this may sound like a dumb question, but I haven't found a straightforward answer on this question yet: will my Logic 7.1 (not Universal Binary) install on an Intel-Mac?? Our local Mac store expected that Rosatta will take care of everything, and that only performance will suffer a bit.
That would mean that all non-universal-binary plugins would run, too??!!
Just curious...
Thanks!
Regards,
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Hi Jaap,
In a word, nope!
It seems you're more informed than your local dealer, :o)
Rosetta will not handle the plug-ins & third party (AU) need the (U B) upgrades. You need the 7.2 (U. Binary) to run logic on the new Intel machines.
Best regards,
Jorge

Will Snow Leopard run older PPC software, pre-universal binary stuff?

Hi there
I know this is probably the most stupid question in the world, and I know that Snow Leopard dropped support for PPC and is intel only.
Does this mean that I could no longer run my CS2, MS Office 2004 and Quark 6.5 (as none of these were universal binary apps, and are all written for PPC architecture)? Or is it just SL will only install on Intel macs?
Thanks in advance

PPC is supported, but there are some PPC applications that are too old for Snow Leopard. You should check all that you use for the latest info BEFORE updating. I think there are problems with CS2. It is not officially supported in Leopard, but may work there. CS3 is not officially supported, but does work.
Is there a 'best' way to upgrade? clean install and retrieve data from time machine backup? Complete rebuild? Install over the top of Leopard?
Any method should work if your applications are up to date, and your existing system has no problems. If your current system is old, though, it may have some forgotten applications or modifications that could cause upgrade problems.
The safest way (but more work) is to erase the drive, install Snow Leopard, update to 10.6.2, copy just user accounts and data from your Time Machine backup, and install the latest versions of applications.
If possible, make a bootable backup of your system drive before you start. That will protect you against any possible problems with the Time Machine backup.

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has anyone here been able to install and run Logic Pro 9.1 on a dual 1.8 G5 PPC? I know LP9 is not officialy supported on non Intel CPUs, But 9.0.0 and
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ok thanks, that's what I tought,looks like apple machines are only good for two - three years, the software developers are ahead of the hardware to a certain point, love macs but this is forcing us to buy new macs just to keep up with development. There was a time it was the opposite.
By the time we get up on new stuff it's time to change again. Gotta be rich to deal with macs ...LOL

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Endianness when running under Rosetta?

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I have a Carbon application which is reading binary data from a file's resource and then has to work with that data. I know the endianness of the data on disk so I used to do a byte-swap when necessary (after using ReadPartialResource() to get the data into my variable).
I dutifully converted all those unconditional byte-swaps to CFSwapInt32BigToHost() in order to make sure that things work correctly when running on an Intel machine (since the application is not universal, the app is running under Rosetta on Intel machines).
Today I tested the application on an iMac Intel CoreDuo (in my local Apple Store) - things worked just fine. However, even the old version with unconditional byte-swapping works correctly...
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Hi,
to support the other posters intention: I would not need an emulator, if any code could be run between to processor types. If I have an emulator, it has to give a complete emulation of one processor another. If VirtualPC would have used BigEndians, no wndows would have ever started on those. So the other way round I assume that Rosetta will think Big (in Endianess).
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Office 2007 Universal Binary?

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As far as we know, Office should be a UB on the next release.
It runs, albeit slowly on the stock 512MB that I had in my BlackBook. The added RAM really does make a big difference. If you are running any apps through Rosetta a realistic minimum is 1GB for the RAM. Anything less and you will be choking the system.

Forcing programs to run in Rosetta?

I'm trying to install a non-universal program (Borland's JBuilder Foundation) on my Intel-Based iMac. The installation will not complete and the program will not run, generating a message in the log file to the effect that my machine configuration does not support the "Java VM for PowerPC."
I was under the impression that OS X for Intel macs included a code-translation technology ("rosetta") that would allow it to execute code compiled for the G4, albiet more slowly than native code. Is there any way to force this program to run through Rosetta?

Yes, that's correct, but some Java apps that use certain Java libraries will not work because these libraries are not universal binaries and will not work via Rosetta. Any Java applications that use the JNI libs will not work unless the developer provides universal binary versions of the libraries they use. Non-Java applications will normally work through Rosetta if they are PowerPC-only. Java apps that do not rely on the JNI libs should work normally.

Why won't XCode 2.2.1 produce a Universal Binary of my program?

I know that it is unreasonable to expect any specific help with the information provided below, but I hope that someone can point me in the right direction for more effective troubleshooting than I've been able to do on my own. Perhaps there is something obvious I am missing.
Here are the facts:
Using Cocoa and XCode 2.2.1 to make a Universal Binary of a small application.
1. The previously compiled PPC version (560KB) runs under Rosetta.
2. A simpler version (108KB) was sucessfully compiled as a Universal version.
3. The expanded version (identical program logic and form - just more of the same - additional variables, objects and methods) appears to compile with two prebind ignore warnings (despite having prebinding disabled).
4.When the compiled app is run in XCode, the interface window correctly appears, but the app menu bar does not. Selecting an input field places the insertion point correctly, but typed input is displayed in the Run Log window, not in the field text box. Executing a calculation method via a button gives a result consistent with no data in the input fields.
5. The app/build/Release/App.app file does not have a processor type tag in the Finder Get Info window (ppp or universal).
6. Double clicking the App.app file produces the error message "You cannot open the application "App" because it may be damaged or incomplete."
7. The Contents of the App appear to be reasonable in number, names and size compared to the original ppc and simple versions.

Thanks - I had earlier done what you suggested, with no effect. I finally decided to use a bigger hammer and copy the program files to a new project in XCode/Interface Builder. The most significant labor was re-establishing all the connections in the interface. This version compiles successfully as a Universal (ppc & i386) without compiler errors.
I am troubleshooting some (now) obvious calculation errors in the original program code that do not affect the results in the ppc version (but should?), and do cause incorrect results in the i386 version.
MacBookPro 2.16GHz Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Universal Binary..Once and For All

I know this topic has been discussed, but I'm still a little confused. I want to put this issue to rest, at least from my perspective.
If you install a Universal Application via download or CD/DVD does it install an application that would be able to run of BOTH an Intel or PPC Mac. I know that the file size isn't exactly doubled, but does it still add extra unneeded code.
I'm on a PPC Mac and I want to know if I download a Universal App am I getting the Intel version too. I really don't want this because I want my drive to be a slim as possible.
If the Universal App does install both version (which I think was clearly evident in the huge increase in size of iLife '06 and iWork) is the only way to get the Intel version off to use "Trim the Fat".
I don't really want to get into the nitty gritty...I just want to know if unneeded code is being installed and taking up space on my iBook because of this new Universal App thing.
Thank you so much.

I don't really want to get into the nitty gritty...I just want
to know if unneeded code is being installed and taking up
space on my iBook because of this new Universal App thing.
The answer is yes.
Universal binaries typically include both PowerPC and x86 versions of a compiled application.
Universal binaries are usually substantially larger than single-platform binaries, because two copies of the compiled code must be stored. The size of the resulting universal binary is usually not double (roughly a 30% increase in size) as a significant portion will be resources which are shared between the two architectures.

"Run with Rosetta" option doesn't exist on Get Info menu on Photoshop CS4 application

"Run with Rosetta" option doesn't exist on Get Info menu on Photoshop CS4 application. what should i do? help me.. =(
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xvolution_lp wrote:
macbook aluminium unibody mac snow leopard 10.6.4. i've already installed rosetta in my mac. i think this problem happen caused other software (CleanmyMac) . i've run the app and i think the app(cleanmymac) remove the universal binaries. what shoul i do?…
I'll assume that's a Mac-Intel machine, as I'm not familiar with macbooks or laptops in general. Obviously, if it were a PPC you would not need Rosetta in the first place.
Well, here's what I would do:
I'd re-install CS4 in the hopes that will solve the problem;
Second, I'd stop listening (and probably even speaking) to the misguided soul who recommended CleanmyMac to me;
Third, delete all traces of CleanmyMac; and
Fourth, I'd reinstall the OS and all applications on my machine.
But that's just me.
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