Apparently I don't need built in Firewall if I have hardware firewall?

I keep having all these dropped internet connections, browser/page load failures in safari especially, but all browsers (camino, firefox, devonagent)...
so i tried turning off the firewall option in the 660 Zyxel ADSL modem provided by my crappy internet provider. At that point I had both OSX firewall enabled (including advanced stealth option), along with Netbarrier.
Guess what: when I did the shields up port scan tests at GRC.com, the OSX build in firewall and Netbarrier FAILED both together and separately.
But when I turned off those OS X firewall apps, and *turned on ONLY the hardware firewall built in to the Zyxel modem, it passed as STEALTH*.
So why would I need or use OS X built-in firewall or netbarrier at all since they fail the port scans and probes and apparently are a significant contributor to the failed or dropped internet connection problems so prodigiously documented (and not fixed) here and at mac, dsl, networking discussion boards everywhere?
Why doesn't the 'stealth' option of the built-in firewall of OSX work?

Hi MacMacster-
Greetings and welcome to the Apple boards.
You are absolutely correct in that you really don't need both FireWalls on and working if one configured correctly does the job for you. Netbarrier is a waste considering your other options.
All you really need is one robust FireWall at the point-of-entry of your network traffic. It sounds like modem's firewall is the one that you want to use. I really have no idea why things worked or didn't the way that they did.
Luck-
-DaddyPaycheck

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only used for slide shows. For example, previews are
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arthur wrote:
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With OS X I have never quite felt the need to install antivirus. One reason for this is that there are very few, if any, viruses or other "nasties" in the wild for OS X. Another is that OS X works differently from Windows and is less vulnerable (but not invulnerable!).
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http://www.clamxav.com/
http://www.intego.com/
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