Appending metadata to RAW files

Hi all,
I'm new to elements, so my apologies if this has already been asked. I'm running elements 6 on a macbook pro, and it works fine ( the program, the macbook works fine too :-) ). But suddenly, after a re-install, I can't append a metadata template to my RAW files in Bridge anymore (was able to do this before the re-install). It still works fine when the RAW is converted to a JPEG. Can't figure out what the problem is. I can't even update the metadata file in the metadata window anymore. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.
Steve G.

Hi,
Can't get into the forum at the moment (site not available message), I can't
remember if I purged or not.....one would assume that this could be the
case, seeing that even if I create a metadata template which I can edit it
always appears greyed out. (When I first installed the program, I could
append the metadata to the RAW files with no problem. Now I can't even
enter data via the metadat tab ).In the meantime, I've uninstalled and
then re-installed the whole program, but I still have the same problem. One
thing is strange though, when I run the 'update' function, it won't install
the newest camera RAW update (4.6 I think it was). Just to be sure, I'm
running a legal version of Elements 6 (supplied with a Canon printer I
bought just recently) on a macbook pro using Snow Leopard.
Regards, and many thanks for you patience,
Steve
Op , <[ADRES]> schreef:
Have you purged the cache for these images?
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<...>
So I would do a batch export of highest quality JPEGs
of all these master files, and import those into
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the photos in iPhoto. If I ever wanted to go back and
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find the file (via metadata such as keywords,
date, album, comments, etc.), then use that filename
to go back and find the original raw (or PSD) file
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<...>
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keywords, etc.), but still have to go back to and
separately import the directories of original
raw files. But then the JPEGs and the raws are not
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