Apple loops in .AIFF ?

Hi !
Ok, me and my friend, we were having fun, jammin with logic pro 8 , and then suprisingly, I realized that I couldn't edite destructively apple loops. I learned that it was because of the .caf extention, and that compressed audio file cannot be edited destructively, then that I have to bounce then, convert them in .wav or aiff, etc ...
But the subject of this topic is something else :
My friend actually could edit the apple loops without convert them.
So we just checked his apple loops folder (in is HD, not his user home), and we were really suprised to find all the apple loops in ... .AIFF format !
so our question is : how do you think it happend ? because my friend has no idea how come his apple loops are in .aiff
Is it normal ?
is there a precess to do that.
It seems that it's more convenient to have the apple loops in .aiff
Is there any problem that we didn't see yet about that ?
thanks guys

Logic 7 and Garageband apple loops, prior to iLife 08, all used .aif files. so most likely your friend already had those jam packs installed before upgrading to Logic 8

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