Apple Pro Res (LT)

Hi all
Can you tell me if there is a big quality difference between Apple Pro Res and Apple Pro res (LT) , is LT a acceptable format for broadcast?
Thanks in Advance

http://images.apple.com/finalcutstudio/docs/Apple_ProRes_White_Paper_July_2009.p df
It's a bit old but still current.
bogiesan

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After burning a successful DVD in iDVD out of FCPX, how can I see the settings it used?
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Is it possible to see what iDVD did?

I don't know any way you can interrogate iDVD to reveal settings to the extent that you can in a Compressor project. What you could do is open up the show's VOB in MPEG STreamclip, go to File and Reveal Stream Information; that will at least give you some rudimentary info like average bit rate. Perhaps someone, with more iDVD experience, can chime in here.
The broader question is why use Compressor at all if your current workflow is doing the job to your satisfaction?
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Did it work before?
If so, what did you change?
If not, have you tried installing the latest ProRes Codecs?
x

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hi everyone!
I've been working with FCP 7 since 2008 and at the same time I started working with Canon T2 from 2 years ago and I haven't had any problems with my FCP workflow files, editing and output used to be H. 264 based files until I started to have problems with my hd DSRL projects. Recently when editing the audio went out of sync and I was suggested to change the Quicktime video settings from FCP 7 to imovie (which is th application I commonly use to create chapters and share to iDVD) this worked perfectly. It was the first time I which I had to change the Quictime Settings to Apple Pro Res 422 The Out of sync problem was resolved but the space consumed by the file was enourmosly ncreased instead. ie. A 5 min project usually would take like a 500 mbs quicktime file and now using the Apple Pro Res 422 this 5 min project went up to 5.3 Ggs!! And also the exporting process is taking forever!! For instance I'm working with a 30 min project and the Quicktime conversion never ends. It's taking about 12 hrs and is not taking more than the 20% of the process. Is there something I'm doing wrong? I need help in a extremely urgent way! Thank you all guys! And best regards from Mexico!!
Mac Pro early 2008
Processor 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Memory 10 GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256 MB
Software OS X 10.8.4 (12E55)

>using the Apple Pro Res 422 this 5 min project went up to 5.3 Ggs
That's about right for a ProRes 422 file. High quality video takes a lot of space. It's sufficient to use the lighter ProRes LT for the footage from your T2 by the way. Your MacPro can also have up to 4 hard drives for plenty of storage.
Why are you using QuickTime Conversion?
Exporting to QuickTime with current settings and self contained is the better way. Then you use Compressor to make your delivery format from that master. Compressor is faster because it can take advantage of multiple cores - FCP doesn't. It will also give you far more control and choice over the encoding.

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My clips do experience a slight color shift but nothing nominal. However, I have no problems converting my files using the preset and opening them up in FCP 7. When I open them in QTX they appear the same size as their original. Have you checked the inspector pane on your MBP? I have had issues where QTX will not open a video full size due to screen resolution limitations and would always downsize instead. That could be your issue since the MBP cannot display a 1080p file at full resolution.

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i'm brand new to this. have a canon 5D Mark II and final cut express 4.
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ProRes is only available with FCP. For FCE you have to use the Apple Intermediate Codec.

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In your FCP System Settings (Shift-Q) check to see if the option to Limit Capture/Export File Segment Size is active. It's normally toggled off, but the default size limit is set to about 2 GB (2000 MB), so that's why I'm asking.
One caveat: if you're exporting to a hard drive that is formatted for Windows use, leave the setting and box checked because many Windows drives (formatted by Macs, especially) won't do larger than 2 GB files. And no Windows system will recognize files larger than 4 GB.
So I guess what I'm saying is, before you 'correct' your issue, confirm with your authoring folks what system they'll be using. If they are using a Windows box, they definitely won't be able to read your files - the ProRes codec isn't available for Windows.

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COuld someone tell me the data rate for apple pro res 4444 codec? how many megabytes per second does it demand? Will I be able to run it from a 7200 rpm firewire 800 single mobile drive?
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http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/apple-prores.html

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For your reading enjoyment -
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4529886
http://images.apple.com/finalcutpro/docs/Apple_ProRes_White_Paper_October_2012.pdf
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Sorry, I am not following.
You said you have converted them to prores LT & are having this issue, or is it with H264 files in your edit?
How did you convert? using media manager, or compressor?
if you still are using the H264 media that would be the issue.
That is not an editing codec. it is a delivery codec.
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or did you do that?

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5. Grading / color correction
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I had the same problem when we started to edit on Pro Res timelines. The solution I found was to go the Sequence Settings > Video Processing > and change the Render setting to "Render in 8-bit YUV" that allowed me to actually render the timeline and view my work. Hope that helps.

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25fps,
frame size 1920 x 1080, vertical 16:9,
Pixel Aspect Ratio, Square Pixels (1.0)
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Preview File Format I-Frame Only Mpeg
Codec Mpeg I-frame
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Any advice would be extremely welcome and I'll be very greatful.Cheers
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Try using MPEG Streamclip. Seems to work for a lot of folks.

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Hi hi,
This is my first time posting here.
I'm experiencing a loss in the quality of text in my rendered video after migrating from cs5.0 to cs5.5, and I would like to know if there is any way cs5.5 could give a better render, or if I should switch back to cs5.0 for the time being.
The video that I'm rendering consists of two videos: a video of a power point presentation, and a video of the speaker/presenter pip'ed over the power point video. The text on the power point slide is poor quality when exported from cs5.5 compared to the same video rendered in cs5.0 with the same settings.
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I'm exporting as MPEG2-DVD
Export settings:
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I have the latest quicktime version installed.
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Hi -
While it may seem counterintuitive, transcoding to a ultra-high quality, specialized format like ProRes 4444 actually, in most cases, counter productive.
Converting your h.264 files to ProRes 4444 is like buying size 26 shoes for size 9 feet. Apple ProRes 4444 is there for specialized use by people editing large frame size images +WITH an alpha channel for each frame+. To properly play it back will require both a high horsepower computer and high speed disk drive array to support the data rate involved in that format.
May I make a suggestion? I would be to convert your h.264 material to Pro Res 422. Even ProRes HQ is beyond what you need to handle your material correctly.
When you convert your files to ProRes 422, and allow FCP to set the sequence to the same settings, you will find that you will be able to edit without rendering. And don't worry - the quality of your image is set by the h.264 compression, the conversion to Pro Res 422 will not degrade it.
A frequent example given on these boards: if you take a can of beer, and pour it in a keg, you still have just a can of beer, but it is harder to carry around - and the keg certainly takes up more space.
There is a very useful White Paper written by Apple that describes the various flavors of ProRes and their correct application at:
http://images.apple.com/finalcutstudio/docs/AppleProRes_White_Paper_July2009.pdf
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