Apple Raid Card in a Macpro production system running 10.4.11 Server

We just recieved the Raid card for our main Intel Octo Core server After installing the card we realized said card was not recognized by 10.4.11 due to lack of drivers the drivers as stated by documentation should be part of 10.4.10 OR shipped with the card (we checked package time and again and nothing was there , are we having fun yet ??) to which we updated a long time ago since this is one of our production 10.4.10 Server is no longer an available install disk at the Apple store apple retailers etc and 10.5 Server is misery to install on our system upgrade path not working as of this time as in kernel panic crash on reboot. Apple does not put the drivers online for this card . I am looking for a kind soul that would have received the disk that should have shipped with the card that would be able to put it online so i can download the installer and recognize the card in 10.4.11 right now i am backing up my system and data to our xraids.
Current Setup is :
Raid Card in slot 1 fully charged battery (it has been way more than 72 hours).
4x1TB HD in internal setup.
1 Quad Channel FC Apple Fibre Channel Card
tied to Fibrenetix Qbex 1 Xraid fully populated with 500 GB HDs.
Total data size is about 500 GB total not including video feed that take about 1 TB and are already backed up to a networked drive. Sites while light occupy about 20 Gbs and WGM is about 300 users rich domains are in the 50 FDQN range . Upgrading manually to 10.5 on a clean install while a possibility would be a MAJOR pain where the sun rarely shines. 10.5.2 does not exist as a DVD yet so i would hope to avoid updating as of yet . Any help would be more than welcome.
Thanking you for your time and attention and waiting to read from you soon ,
Best Regards,

I have installed 10.4 server (from 10.4.7 UB DVD) on top of 10.4.10 (?) "user" on a 4 core MacPro (it came with the RAID-card installed (don't remember if it came with 10.4.10 "user" or earlier version).
You need to get at the "server.mpkg" install files from the 10.4.7 (10.4.8 or newer) server DVD and use that to install the server "bits".
After all upgrades the server now reports (In Server Admin overview):
System Version: Mac OS X 10.4.11 (Build 8S2169)
Server Version: Mac OS X Server 10.4.11 (Build 8S2169)
But the "user" version system that came with the 4-core machine reports something like:
Mac OS X 10.4.11 (Build 8S3169) (notice the 3 in 8S3xxx).
The driver for the RAID card is also on the user DVD but you need to do it like I did.
As I understand it this is an Apple supported way to do it.
This Server have been used a couple of months now.

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Anybody using Apple RAID card in a Boot Camp system?

I can guess windows would not see/be able to use any disks/volumes controlled by the array, but I wondered if somebody had a system with :
1 - Mac Pro w/ 4 HDDs
2 - 1st drive with SL and Boot Camp 64 bit Windows (Vista or 7)
3 - Apple Mac Pro RAID card
4 - other 3 HDDs in a RAID 5 or 0
Is this possible? Is this just crazy (I do need Windows for some stuff).
If any experience can you also tell me what happens to the array when you went from 10.5 to 10.6 or Vista to Win 7?

Hi CC,
Even though it's not the answer I wanted thanks for finalizing it for me. I think I'll give SoftRAID my 1st shot because they say it will let me do separate dual-boot disk.
Contrary to public opinion, not everything is possible with computers. They to have their limits.
One thing I hate about Apple's website is when I do not feel I got the definitive answer with a responder's first answer and then their next shot solves it for me, but I cannot seem to give them a solved credit.
You should have the possibilities to 'mark as helpful' and 'mark as solved' and also to mark the whole thread as 'solved'.
See the section *What are question answers?* in the TOU http://discussions.apple.com/help.jspa
But that is not mandatory
Thanks again Stefan
You're welcome anytime.
Glad to be of 'no-help'...
Stefan

Apple RAID Card after System Disk Failure: Volume visible but not mountable

Hi,
Im running a Mac Pro with 10.5.8. Server has a workgroup server. The Mac Pro is equipped with a Apple RAID Card running three 1TB SATA Drives and a SAS drive for the System. The three 1TB drives are used by a RAID5 to store the data the SAS drive was used for the system. After a power failure the SAS drive was dead and I installed a new drive and reinstalled the system with the DVDs that were in the box. After that the RAID5 is not mounted by the system anymore although I can sea it in the RAID Utility but not with its volume name but with the name R2V1.
What can I do to save the data on that RAID?
Thanks
Phil

It's tough to find info on your specific model but the Raid card listed in the Apple Store (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB845Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY) states you must use all SAS drives or all SATA drives with the card. Are you sure that the drive that died was a SAS drive?

New drives help for APPLE RAID Card RAID Redo

Hi,
I've been happily using an Apple 3,1 MacPro with Apple RAID Card installed and connected to 4-500 GB Apple OEM drives. I'd like to redo my setup and replace the Apple drives with bigger drives. Someone said I could only use up to 2 TB drives - is this correct?
Has anyone done this or anything like it using Seagate Drives that are not Apple OEM. Will that work OK or will the Apple RAID Card want to see Apple OEM drives? Apple sells 2TB Seagates, but they cost a lot compared to non-OEM drives, but will cheaper generic Seagate Barracuddas work OK in every way?
Also, after accomplishing this upgrade, I'd like to upgrade this machine to the latest Lion and possibly even Moutain Lion System Software. Any issues perceived?
To reiterate, I'd like to increase my storage to the max in my Early 2008 MacPro3,1 which has the Apple RAID Card utilizing a RAID5. This is spec'd at "4 - 3.0 Gbps Serial ATA (SATA) controllers" but no mention is made of what the MAX Size drives that will be addressed by the RAID Card.
Thanks, and so long for now, TOM

I thought it was an oxymoron to be using Apple RAID card, and to be happy.
It does not support drives larger than 2.2TB
Seagate's just seem to be more trouble. Any enterprise drive should do.
If you really really need RAID5 then maybe this card is useful, otherwise, no.,
There is much less than 300MB/sec x 4 in bandwith, they are shared and not independent, but the total is more like 800MB/sec maximum. Less overhead and other factors comes in more like 700MB/sec total max. \
SSDs have come a long way.
Use a PCIe cards to manage 2 x SSDs of 500GB up to 1TB
Use Disk Utility or SoftRAID 4 to manage 2-4 drive mirror or stripe arrays
10.8.4 has a bug that interferes with using 3TB and larger drives, just introduced bug.
This is the FIRST time there have been limits on drive size. And Apple RAID card. Seems the card is not getting updated firmware to address the need for larger drives. For those using SAS it is also a viable candidate.
SSD on its own to hold the system. 4 x 2TB WD Black for data and media storage. 4 x SSDs for scratch and graphic catalogues and media... all depends what your goal and use and type of programs.
No you do not need to use Apple's.
I cannot vouche for or seen someone doing so but I would hope that WD RED series would be suitable.

Apple Raid Card panic on Mac Pro Early 2008 after installing SSD as an enhanced JBOD.

I recently installed a SSD drive in my Mac Pro to replace an aging, original boot drive. I have an Apple raid card with 3 other hds attached - all in an enhanced JBOD configuration. After installing the SSD from OWC (3G Electra SATA II Compatible) everything appeared to work fine. But after 36 hours I received a apple raid card kernel panic alert. See below for diagnostic crash log. OWC support says that their drive should work fine - now I am not so sure. Anyone out there with suggestions/solutions is most welcomed.
Anonymous UUID:       83ADF2C8-4D41-D2EE-58C2-0CC4344DB0B4
Sun Jan 5 21:18:46 2014
panic(cpu 3 caller 0xffffff7f98b1441e): "AppleRAIDCard controller panic"@/SourceCache/AppleHWRaidDriver/AppleHWRaidDriver-401/Driver/Driver/Apple RAIDCard.cp:1018
Backtrace (CPU 3), Frame : Return Address
0xffffff8221563e30 : 0xffffff8017622f69
0xffffff8221563eb0 : 0xffffff7f98b1441e
0xffffff8221563ef0 : 0xffffff8017aada80
0xffffff8221563f30 : 0xffffff8017aac522
0xffffff8221563f80 : 0xffffff8017aac5f7
0xffffff8221563fb0 : 0xffffff80176d6aa7
      Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
         com.apple.driver.AppleRAIDCard(401.0)[06045EA1-0404-36C3-9BE6-FE217DCD420C]@0xf fffff7f98b11000->0xffffff7f98b26fff
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIBlockCommandsDevice(3.6.0)[657BB360-C3EA-3D01-934E-12DBD6 0BBBF5]@0xffffff7f97f80000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.8)[447B4896-16FF-3616-95A2-1C516B2A1498]@0xffffff 7f97cba000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIParallelFamily(3.0.0)[B6D80E76-647D-3BAE-823A-85871E9BAC7 2]@0xffffff7f97ca9000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily(3.6.0)[76253A22-A1DB-3BF4-A972-E6 94A37CD09A]@0xffffff7f97c78000
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task
Mac OS version:
13B42
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 13.0.0: Thu Sep 19 22:22:27 PDT 2013; root:xnu-2422.1.72~6/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 1D9369E3-D0A5-31B6-8D16-BFFBBB390393
Kernel slide:     0x0000000017400000
Kernel text base: 0xffffff8017600000
System model name: MacPro3,1 (Mac-F42C88C8)
System uptime in nanoseconds: 91308918786320
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Model: MacPro3,1, BootROM MP31.006C.B05, 8 processors, Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2.8 GHz, 18 GB, SMC 1.25f4
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5870, ATI Radeon HD 5870, PCIe, 1024 MB
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RE: Mac Pro Replacement Graphics cards
1) Apple brand cards,
2) "sold in the Apple store" cards, and
3) "Mac Edition" cards ...
... show all the screens, including Boot up screens, Safe Mode, Installer, Recovery, debug screens, and Alt/Option boot screens. At this writing, these choices include:
1) Apple brand cards:
• Apple-firmware 5770, about US$250** works near full speed in every model Mac Pro, Drivers in 10.6.5
• Apple-firmware 5870, about US$450
2) "sold in the Apple store" cards
• NVIDIA Quadro 4000, about US$1200
• NVIDIA Quadro 5000, about US$2500
3) "Mac Edition" cards -- REQUIRE 10.8.3 or later:
• SAPPHIRE HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 MAC Edition, about US$480** Vendor recommends Mac Pro 4,1
• EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, about US$600
The cards above require no more than the provided two 6-pin aux power connectors provided in the Mac Pro through 2012 model. Aux cables may not be provided for third-party cards, but are readily available.
If you are Meet ALL of these:
• running 10.8.3 or later AND
• don't care about "no boot screens" etc AND
• can re-wire or otherwise "work out" the power cabling, THEN:
You can use many more cards, even most "PC-only cards"

How do I determine what needs attention on my Apple RAID card?

Every time I turn on the computer, I get a message that says," The Apple RAID Card installed in your system requires your attention."
This is what I have: RAID 065-7214 Mac Pro RAID Card
Why do I keep getting this message? I am not sure what needs to be done to rectify any error. If there is no error and the warning is just due to battery charging, then I would like the warning to stop appearing--or do I just have to continuously click "Ignore"? Any insight into this?
When I open RAID Utility it says: RAID set R0-1 has been mounted with indeterminate data loss. ( Is this just due to improper shutdown?)
Also: Controller reports RAID system 72-hour battery reserve unavailable-System is configured to run without battery.
Message was edited by: Darlyne

I have had the exact same error message. When you open Raid Utility (that is where you can read what "attention" is needed you will see under the "Status" section what happened, and under the "Tasks" you will see the raid card "initializing" your RAID set. The first time I saw this I freaked, thinking that my drives were being reformatted, and my data would be lost. This is not the case. If you look down on the left side, you will (hopefully) see green lights next to your drives. The initialization seems to be a verification of the raid structure -- basically checking to make sure everything is redundant.
So, back to the original question: it seems from my poking around that you SHOULD NEVER TURN OFF your Mac Pro with an Apple Raid Card installed. The firmware is not able to spin down the drives correctly, so when you turn your machine back on, you get the error message we have been discussing.
I would recommend you get a good battery backup (UPS, like an APC) and just power off your monitor when not using your machine. I did not see this in the documentation, I am not 100% sure, but this is what I will be doing. In my case it takes many hours for the Raid Util to initialize my Raid again.
Hope this helps.
Theo

What's the difference in Apple RAID card battery error messages?

I have a Mac Pro with 2 quad core Intel Harpertown CPUs at 3.2GHz, and an Apple RAID card. RAID Utility shows that the battery failed but in my research, nobody explains the difference between "Battery failed (code 0x#0 = 17)" (which is what I have) and "Battery failed (code 0x#0 = 18)" or ""Battery failed (other than expired)" (the latter two are what everybody talks about) and what the code numbers mean. Speaking to a local AASP, they recommend that I just wait for a couple of days to see if it's doing the automatic 72-hour reconditioning operation since my Mac Pro is attached to a pretty hefty UPS (2200VA with nothing else attached) and power failures where I live are rare plus the write cache has been disabled so the RAID card is basically doing write-throughs at the moment. But curiosity about the various, different error codes and messages is getting the better of me. Thanks in advance.
Also, what's worrying me (since RAID Utility is so vague) is this entry I found under "Hardware RAID" in System Profiler:
Status:
Charging:          No
Conditioning:          No
Connected:          Yes
Discharging:          No
Sufficient Charge:          No

As an update to this, once I replaced the RAID card battery (which was an absolute nightmare--the writer of the instructions at Apple obviously had never done it for real nor seen it done since they omit a lot of important things), the problem went away. But I'm still intrigued about what the error codes mean.

2010 Mac Pro with Apple RAID card - "Drive carrier 00:03 removed"

I've got a 2010 Mac Pro with the Apple RAID card and 4 internal identical Seagate ST32000641AS 2TB drives inside.
I've never had a problem with the RAID card (either battery or in operation) except for one thing:
Almost every time I shut the machine down (which I try to do as rarely as possible), it keeps losing Drive 3, the spare.
(See RAID Utility event log snippet below.)
[I wish I could understand why this Apple RAID card keeps losing the spare across power-cycles/reboots, but I digress.]
So I just adopted it as the spare and it spawns the rebuild and many hours later, everything's fine again.
... until the last time I rebooted (Jan. 2nd).
After the usual "I lost the spare" message upon login, it began the rebuild.
But this time, about 11 1/2 hours later the rebuild stopped and RAID Utility reported "Drive carrier 00:03 removed".
Bay 3 is now missing in the Controller view.
I powered off the system last night, and left it off overnight. Today I took all the drives out, blew the dust off and reseated them.
Same thing. Drive 3 is still missing, and now the rebuild task aborted.
The drive bay location shouldn't matter, right? Can I swap the Bay 3 drive with the Bay 4 drive?
I figure one of two things would happen:
(1) It will report Bay 3 as being there but Bay 4 as being missing, same situation as is now. Meaning the problem is in the Bay 3 spare drive.
(2) It will report Bay 3 as being missing (despite a 'good' drive being present) and Bay 4 will be the (unattached) spare, and the RAID set will be unviable. Meaning the problem is with the drive bay itself, not whatever drive is plugged into it.
If "Drive carrier removed" is trying to tell me the disk is bad, why do I not see any log messages about it? I suppose a spare that never gets used could go bad from lack of use, but ... no messages at all?
Hesitant to plunk down $160 on a new spare disk if the present one isn't actually dead ...
% sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
                                     Total     Avail
Raidsets      Type       Drives       Size      Size Comments
RS1           RAID 5     1,2,4      5.23TB    0.00MB Rebuild: 0% complete
% sudo raidutil list driveinfo
Drives Raidset       Size      Flags
Bay #1 RS1             2.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Bay #2 RS1             2.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Bay #4 RS1             2.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Event log snippet:
Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:15:19 AM PT
Background task aborted: Task=Rebuild,Scope=DRVGRP,Group=RS1
informational
Friday, January 3, 2014 3:50:28 AM PT
Drive carrier 00:03 removed
informational
Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:29:37 PM PT
Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
informational
Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:29:28 PM PT
Adopted drive in bay 3
informational
Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:28:34 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
critical
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:35:17 PM PT
Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
informational
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:35:08 PM PT
Adopted drive in bay 3
informational
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:34:11 PM PT
The "RedundancyScrub" command could not be executed. (Invalid request or invalid parameter in the request.)
warning
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:34:03 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
critical
Friday, December 6, 2013 4:56:47 AM PT
Battery finished conditioning
informational
Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:53:44 PM PT
Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
informational
Friday, September 6, 2013 10:53:11 PM PT
Battery finished conditioning
informational
Friday, September 6, 2013 3:41:33 PM PT
Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
informational
Saturday, June 8, 2013 3:41:35 PM PT
Battery finished conditioning
informational
Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:37:49 AM PT
Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
informational
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:09:51 PM PT
Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
informational
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:09:42 PM PT
Adopted drive in bay 3
informational
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:08:59 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
critical
Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:32:29 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1
warning

Power Pig wrote:
"Hesitant to plunk down $160 on a new spare disk if the present one isn't actually dead ...
% sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
                                     Total     Avail
Raidsets      Type       Drives       Size      Size Comments
RS1           RAID 5     1,2,4      5.23TB    0.00MB Rebuild: 0% complete
I was talking about this.
This looks like a RAID 5 setup without the parity to me. I would said it basically a RAID 0.
Also you metioned "I guess that previous spare must really have gone 'bad', despite having never been used! "
I wiped everything out, I selected the 3 disks and clicked on "Create RAID Set" with RAID5 selected and the "Use unassigned drives as spares" option checked. The 3rd disk has always been marked as the spare ever since then. You do not have a choice to create a "RAID5 setup without the parity". If I wanted a RAID0 I would have chosen a RAID0! raidutil now says
% sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
                                     Total     Avail
Raidsets      Type       Drives       Size      Size Comments
RS1           RAID 5     1,2,3,4    5.23TB    0.00MB No tasks running
Every time the system would 'lose' Drive 3 on boot, I would just keep rebooting until it was 'found', and then manually re-assign the now-'floating' drive as the spare - and the RAID would rebuild.
There was never a problem until the day that prompted this post - when it would not find Drive 3 no matter what I did. I turned the Mac Pro off for several hours until the drives had all cooled down and it still did not find the drive. I left the machine on but unmounted the degraded volume until I got the new replacement drive.
I really don't understand what you are getting at. It's like you are trying to tell me I set it up as a 4-drive RAID5 with no parity(!) and that I was in grave danger because one of the disks was gone. The actual RAID contents (spread across Drives 1, 2 and 4) were never in danger, unless a 2nd disk had failed while the spare was not seen by the Apple RAID card. I wasn't too worried about that happening.

MacPro2009-Apple Raid Card-2.2TB limit

Hello,
I have a MacPro (early 2009) with an Apple Raid Card. Lion 10.7.4
I just bought a 4 Tb Sata hard drive and there is no way to make it work on the Apple Raid Card. When it mount , it only show a capacity of 2,2 TB and Apple disk Utility is of no utility with it on the Raid Card.
So I managed to hook it in the Optical Drive bay and I have now a 4 TB volume available for Network backup.
Can you confirm the limit on the Apple raid card
Version Matériel: 2,00
Version du programme interne: E-1.3.2.0
Thanks,
Marc LE BRET

I have this same issue with a mid 2010 MacPro Server running 10.8.2/OS X Server (10.8) and the Apple RAID Card with 3 - 1TB drives and an added 4TB drive (in Bay 4) that is only being seen with the 2.2TB limit. I even initialized it and tested it a bit with my MacPro1,1 and a NewerTech toaster on eSata. Very nice to see a workaround with the optical bay... thank you for that suggestion! I was going to go to another enclosure or hard drive "toaster" / dock that allows 4TB drives and use eSata or FW800 as a connection... the 2nd optical drive bay sounds great and will give it a try.
The only thing I can figure from all this and talking to Tier 2 AppleCare is that the RAID card is only 32 Bit addressing O.o ... which seems crazy but makes the most sense. They will more than likely respond with "The drive is unsupported, since it isnt an "Apple" HD."

Non-Apple RAID card with internal drives possible on 2009 model ?

Hello there,
I have decided against the Apple Raid card, since it does not support any other drives than the ones sold through the Apple Store and it also only supports up to 1 TB drives.
My goal is to have 3x 1.5 TB drives in a RAID 5 array.
Does anybody know any hardware Raid 5 capable adapters, that can be used with internal 1.5 TB drives & the early 2009 Mac Pro model ?
Cheers,
Martin

Once upon a time, in a land far far away, ATTO and LSI, and Adaptec mainly owned the storage market for Mac controllers, and even then in those happy times we heard there was Voodoo in the land, and a curse on what were the Rules of SCSI Voodoo, and one had to be careful that a drive really was certified and tested, and one had to insure which firmware version one was talking about, not just any which firmware - and controllers also had to be updated as well.
Signal processing over SCSI with good active termination, cable length, and 160 pins (and cable strands) (and no noise or crosstalk, good insulation).
If one did all of the above, and was careful, you were rewarded with a working storage controller and array and the best possible performance at the time.
And sometimes you could venture off the reservation... a little, and some drivers could patch and work around bugs in firmware or other problems - just as bugs in cpu, boot firmware, and microcode can be patched by the OS kernel. And people would pay for retail drivers, or they would have to rely on the vendor's bundled driver (that may only work on their own drives and no others).
Hard Disk Toolkit, Silverlining and others made name for themselves, amoung others that now have faded into oblivion for most.
But it still exists when you venture beyond consumer and pro-consumer devices and venture to use FC-SCSI, SCSI, and SAS. And taking a chance when you try to use off the shelf SATA storage products and solutions. There are times when OEM drives really are OEM-only and a good thing; and times to avoid.
And there is no list of any kind of successfully used non-Apple drives, though there is word-of-mouth of a few that definitely need to be avoided.

Repair Apple RAID card battery

I have an Apple RAID card Mac Pro (Early 2009) RAID Card (top picture) with a bad battery. Unfortunately these batteries usually die after a few years and the replacement is not cheap. Looking on ebay, I can only get them from the US, but I live in Europe and it will cost me at least $150.
From what I suspect reading the case, the battery is a 3.7 V Lithium battery, probably with built-in electronics that I can perhaps get for $5 from China. Any soldering work is not a problem. If I can replace the digitizer of an iPad mini, I can probably replace a battery too.
The case of the battery looks like a regular aluminum box and the lit is probably just glued onto the battery. It's seems quite sturdy and would require some force to open. Has anyone ever opened an Apple Raid Card battery? I'm reluctant to apply much heat to open the case, though external heat might be ok. Any ideas? I'm aware of the risks.

To summarise the 'end of days' issue with RAID5 the problem is that with the much bigger size of hard disks now available and being used e.g. 4TB or even bigger, it takes so long to rebuild a RAID5 array when replacing a faulty drive that the chance of another drive failing during the rebuild is becoming more and more likely. This is actually made worse by the fact that a RAID rebuild causes a lot of activity and therefore 'stress' on the hard disks in order to do the rebuild process. It can take more than 24 hours to do a complete RAID5 rebuild and during all that time you are vulnerable to a complete failure.
RAID6 is a partial solution in that you start off with redundancy provided by two drives rather than RAID5 which has just one so RAID6 can survive two drive failures. It however only reduces the chances of having a complete RAID failure during a rebuild it does not eliminate it.
Standard RAID5 or RAID6 therefore is being increasingly viewed as having reached a brick wall.
For Enterprises i.e. those with lots of money you can just throw more drives at the problem e.g. RAID10. For the rest of us the hope is on new alternatives to RAID5. The one I am particularly excited about is BTRFS, this is a combination of both a RAID layer and a file-system layer, it is able to use file checksums from the file-system layer to spot and fix RAID issues and this is orders of magnitude more efficient than having to do a complete RAID resync/rebuild. This approach has two advantages, firstly it protects a problem described as 'bit rot' whereby a byte or block in a file can become corrupted, the checksums allow this to be detected and automatically fixed, the second is that it can do a rebuild of actual real data whereas a normal RAID rebuild rebuilds all blocks on a drive even empty ones.
BTRFS is still pre-release especially its equivalent of RAID5 and RAID6 but it is getting closer. (RAID 0 and 1 for BTRFS are already considered ready for use.)
ZFS is a similar 'new' file-system to BTRFS and at one point there was talk that Apple were going to switch to using ZFS but this no longer looks like happening. ZFS was a solution being developed and 'owned' by Sun Microsystems who are now part of Oracle. BTRFS is free open-source.
I personally hope that Apple at some point implement BTRFS.
There are some NAS manufacturers already implementing BTRFS however they are currently 'cheating'. NetGear for example use BTRFS on their current ReadyNAS OS 6.x models but rather than using a 'pure' BTRFS approach have a implemented BTRFS on top of a standard RAID5 system created by mdraid. They did this because as I mentioned above the official BTRFS RAID5/6 solution is not yet ready for real-world use. As a result you get some of the benefits of BTRFS like being more easily able to expand the size of a file-system, but you don't get the full checksum derived protection of BTRFS because it is not integrated to the RAID level. Thecus I believe have gone the same approach as NetGear. Synology and QNAP are still waiting for BTRFS to be 'finished' before implementing it.

Apple RAID Card and 3TB Drives only show 2.2 TB

I tried a 3TB Seagate Barracuda XT drive in the July 2010 Mac Pro (and a Jan 2008 Mac Pro) on the RAID Card that came with the machines (so one is the RAID Card now shipping) and both show a maximum of 2.2 TB with a 3TB drive.
I'm curious if anyone else has tried this with different results. Any luck in getting the RAID Card to see the full 3TB in the drives?
By the way, without the RAID Card, the Mac (OS 10.6.4) sees the full 3TB, but not with it.
Anyone else seeing this?

Okay. Seems Apple didn't plan for or certify 3TB.
However, Apple doesn't support using 3rd party drives. Some do, and in some situations, drives you would think work don't, or they work but only briefly.
When I said read FAQ I was thinking of all the points like this:
Question: *Which drives does Apple support for the Mac Pro RAID Card and the Xserve RAID Card?*
Answer: Only Apple SATA drives and Promise 450GB SAS Drive modules sold through the Apple Store are supported for use with the Mac Pro RAID Card (Early 2009) and the Xserve RAID Card (Early 2009).
Apple 300GB SAS Drive modules are supported with the Mac Pro RAID Card (Late 2007) and Xserve RAID Card (Early 2007).
Drives must be either all Serial ATA (SATA) or all Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) drives. SSD drive modules are not recommended for the Apple RAID Card because these drives use their own on-disk cache and cannot take advantage of the protection provided by the battery-backed cache on the RAID card.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1346#faq8
http://www.apple.com/support/macpro/
Apple Knowledge Base: recent changes:
http://support.apple.com/kb/index?page=articles

Apple RAID Card Firmware Update crashes

Early 2008 Mac Pro 2.8GHz Quad Core Intel Xeon
I'm trying to install Apple's RAID Card Firmware update on my 2008 Mac Pro (which yes, has a RAID card) and every time the update utility launches it immediately crashes because it couldn't load the CoreRAID framework:
Dyld Error Message:
Library not loaded: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreRAID.framework/Versions/A/CoreRAID
Referenced from: /Applications/Utilities/Apple RAID Card Firmware Update.app/Contents/MacOS/Apple RAID Card Firmware Update
Reason: no suitable image found. Did find:
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreRAID.framework/Versions/A/CoreRAID: mach-o, but wrong architecture
I've tried reinstalling the CoreRAID framework directly from the Mavericks install image with no luck. The same thing was happening with 10.8 and I was hoping 10.9 would fix it.
I did a lot of Googling and someone in a somewhat related issue suggested running "lipo -info" on the library. If that's helpful to anyone here's the output:
lipo -info CoreRAID
Non-fat file: CoreRAID is architecture: x86_64
but from that it looks like it should have no problem being run on my Intel Mac Pro.
Any help would be appreciated, it's annoying that Software Update keeps informing me that I have a pending update, and every time I log into my server I get a crash alert from the

Well, I went ahead and opened a support ticket on this.
Tech on the phone was not immediately able to come up with a solution, and has escalated it to engineering.
I am willing to bet that the RAID Card firmware update doesn't "know" about MP11.005D.B00 -- and will only install with MP11.005C.B08.
The question is this: What is the difference between MP11.005D.B00 and MP11.005C.B08 -- and does this impact the Hardware RAID in any way?

Apple Raid Card compatibility with Tiger 10.4.11 ?

I am considering raiding 4 internal HD in a Mac Pro and I am still using Tiger 10.4.11.
Is there some compatibility issues with Apple Raid Card ?
The card specs say it should run 10.5 to work properly.
Any hints ?
TIA

I find mixed results here...
http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso
By putting in MacPro & 10.4, then searching the results for the word raid, though I don't see 10.4.11 specifically, I did notice RAID getting broken at upgrade points, and less than spectacular results... heck, my 10.3.9 SATA I, 2 drive RAID 0 on a QS/2001/G4/DP/1.467 does almost as good as the MacPro results.

Apple RAID Card (Early 2009) Firmware Update 1.1

The update is recommend for all Mac Pro (Early 2009) and Xserve (Early 2009) systems with the Apple RAID card.
This update provides several fixes, including:
Reliability improvements during boot and power fail recovery
Improves handling of hard drives with bad blocks
Improves RAID 1 read performance
Improves hard drive compatibility with non-Apple drives
Improves support for systems with 48GB or larger memory
Improves battery handling and reporting
This update requires Mac OS X v10.5.8 or Mac OS X Server v10.5.8 or later. You will need to restart your computer as part of the update process.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3831
After this update has successfully completed,
your RAID Firmware Version will be: E-1.3.2.0
The updater application will be installed in the /Applications/Utilities folder and will launch automatically. Please follow the instructions in the updater application to complete the update process.

I have a few of these RAID cards in a couple servers, and then I have an earlier version of the RAID card in a few different servers.
The earlier servers are running non-apple 1.5 TB drives. It will be interesting to learn if this firmware update will indeed allow me to boost the capacity by installing non-apple drives, as the firmware previously has not.
Ohh I'm excited to update and try! This will greatly help out if it does!

Apple Raid Card in a Macpro production system running 10.4.11 Server

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