Apple RAID card w/SSD in Optical Bay
If I've got this right, you cannot use the Apple RAID card in the new Mac Pro if you have even one SSD drive in any of the four HD bays. What I'm trying to determine is if you can use the Apple RAID card if the four HD bays all have 'normal' drives installed, but still want to use an SSD as a 5th drive, and locate it in the lower optical bay.
Hope the question makes sense, and I hope someone knows the answer!
Thanks.
Hi rlhinc,
If you have not already purchased an Apple RAID card, and you only want to set up a RAID 0, as your post on another thread suggests, why not set up a software RAID 0 using Disk Utility:
http://macperformanceguide.com/Storage-HowToSetupRAID.html
With any RAID configuration the drives should all be identical, whether you are using 2, 3 or 4 drives.
I have 4 WD VelociRaptor 300GB drives in a striped (Scratch + Data) RAID 0 configuration in the 4 hard drive bays of my 2009 Nehalem Mac Pro, and set this up with Disk Utility.
The OS and my applications are on an SSD which is installed in the lower optical drive bay, and this set up works fine:
http://macperformanceguide.com/Mac-InstallingSSD.html
Regards,
Bill
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1) Apple brand cards,
2) "sold in the Apple store" cards, and
3) "Mac Edition" cards ...
... show all the screens, including Boot up screens, Safe Mode, Installer, Recovery, debug screens, and Alt/Option boot screens. At this writing, these choices include:
1) Apple brand cards:
• Apple-firmware 5770, about US$250** works near full speed in every model Mac Pro, Drivers in 10.6.5
• Apple-firmware 5870, about US$450
2) "sold in the Apple store" cards
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• running 10.8.3 or later AND
• don't care about "no boot screens" etc AND
• can re-wire or otherwise "work out" the power cabling, THEN:
You can use many more cards, even most "PC-only cards" -
Lion, trim & SSD on Apple RAID card
Hi, I have a MAc Pro 2x2.8 Ghz Quad-Core with an Apple RAID card and SO OS X 10.7.2.
It has 2x SSD in stripe o and others 2x500 GB also in stripe 0.
I'd like to know if is possible to enable TRIM support for SSD disks with this setting, and if I can have a real improvement to live their linked to RAID card or is better to keep out raid card and connect without it.
Tnk to all!!!Apple Pro RAID card isn't perfect, has limitations, and it has made it harder.
http://www.softraid.com excellent software RAID
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Use to be and may still be true that you risk using any drives but Apple's with Apple firmware, if you go Apple RAID route.
On PCs you have Intel motherboard RAID, can add controller, and software is shunned totally. Software RAID with Mac OS X seems more than fine.
I'd take a thorough look at this site:
http://macperformanceguide.com/index_topics.html
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http://www.barefeats.com/hard104.html
And yes drivers and support can be a pain. Some of the blame I see as how every OS and even minor updates break and require rework.
http://www.macgurus.com/store/ecom-prodshow/BurlyRAID.html
Checked out Sonnet to see what they offer? FirmTek 6G and NewerTech, but not hardware. -
Apple raid card with Sonnet Tempo SSD problem?
I am currently using Mac Pro 5.1 (2010)
My configuration is
1) Apple Raid Card in PCIe slot 4
2TB bootable HDD and 3x 1TB HDDs configured to RAID 0
2) Apple Radeon 5770 card in PCIe slot 1
3) Sonnet Tempo SSD with Apple OEM 512GB SSD in PCIe slot 2
4) Caldigit Fasta-6GU3pro USB3 + eSATA card in PCIe slot 3
When I boot from 2TB bootable HDD in main slot #1, everything works well.
But, when I install Mavericks to 512GB SSD in PCIe slot, installation finishes without problem, but the system NEVER boot up with that drive.
(The drive appears in boot disc selection in system preference, but nothing changed even select it and reboot.)
(I did a lot of PRAM reset too...)
The SSD works well when I put it to 2nd ODD slot with spare SATA2 connectors in there. (boot properly, etc).
But when I put it back to TEMPO card, It never appears during boot process (even I press option key).
Maybe problem is due to
1) Issue with APPLE raid card
2) problem due to two additional SATA controllers in PCIe rains.
3) Issue with card configuration (I have to test change the position of cards except APPLE RAID which requires slot 4)
Does anybody experienced similar problems?This:
> But, when I install Mavericks to 512GB SSD in PCIe slot, installation finishes without problem, but the system NEVER boot up with that drive.
It is not uncommon to have trouble installing, cloning, or booting from a PCIe card - though the Sonnet Tempo Pro SSD is one of the reliable ones, still, you should install the OS first on SATA II normally, then move the SSD to its new home.
The fact the SSD works on the ODD port - have you asked or looked for firmware update or anything from Sonnet and what they have to say?
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Access MP motherboard SATA ports when using Apple RAID card
I asked this question in another topic and thought I'd have better luck in a separate topic.
I will soon be the proud owner of an early 2008 3.2 G Mac Pro with the Apple RAID card. I have been given a lot of great advice by the regulars to this topic area who gave me an idea that I wanted to confirm would work.
Since the internal HDs are connected through the RAID card, that leaves the iPass connector free to connect 4 more SATA drives to the motherboard. The suggestion was made to use an iPass to 4 x SATA cable to gain access. But where to attach and mount the drives? If not the optical bay, the only alternative is outboard, but what to do with the cable? I also learned here that there are two more SATA ports on the motherboard, and Newer Technology makes a cable that attaches to both and mounts in an empty PCI slot hole. Very neat.
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Hello,
I have a MacPro (early 2009) with an Apple Raid Card. Lion 10.7.4
I just bought a 4 Tb Sata hard drive and there is no way to make it work on the Apple Raid Card. When it mount , it only show a capacity of 2,2 TB and Apple disk Utility is of no utility with it on the Raid Card.
So I managed to hook it in the Optical Drive bay and I have now a 4 TB volume available for Network backup.
Can you confirm the limit on the Apple raid card
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I've never had a problem with the RAID card (either battery or in operation) except for one thing:
Almost every time I shut the machine down (which I try to do as rarely as possible), it keeps losing Drive 3, the spare.
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Same thing. Drive 3 is still missing, and now the rebuild task aborted.
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Hesitant to plunk down $160 on a new spare disk if the present one isn't actually dead ...
% sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
Total Avail
Raidsets Type Drives Size Size Comments
RS1 RAID 5 1,2,4 5.23TB 0.00MB Rebuild: 0% complete
% sudo raidutil list driveinfo
Drives Raidset Size Flags
Bay #1 RS1 2.00TB IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Bay #2 RS1 2.00TB IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Bay #4 RS1 2.00TB IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Event log snippet:
Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:15:19 AM PT
Background task aborted: Task=Rebuild,Scope=DRVGRP,Group=RS1
informational
Friday, January 3, 2014 3:50:28 AM PT
Drive carrier 00:03 removed
informational
Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:29:37 PM PT
Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
informational
Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:29:28 PM PT
Adopted drive in bay 3
informational
Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:28:34 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
critical
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:35:17 PM PT
Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
informational
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:35:08 PM PT
Adopted drive in bay 3
informational
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:34:11 PM PT
The "RedundancyScrub" command could not be executed. (Invalid request or invalid parameter in the request.)
warning
Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:34:03 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
critical
Friday, December 6, 2013 4:56:47 AM PT
Battery finished conditioning
informational
Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:53:44 PM PT
Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
informational
Friday, September 6, 2013 10:53:11 PM PT
Battery finished conditioning
informational
Friday, September 6, 2013 3:41:33 PM PT
Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
informational
Saturday, June 8, 2013 3:41:35 PM PT
Battery finished conditioning
informational
Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:37:49 AM PT
Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
informational
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:09:51 PM PT
Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
informational
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:09:42 PM PT
Adopted drive in bay 3
informational
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:08:59 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
critical
Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:32:29 PM PT
Degraded RAID set RS1
warningPower Pig wrote:
"Hesitant to plunk down $160 on a new spare disk if the present one isn't actually dead ...
% sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
Total Avail
Raidsets Type Drives Size Size Comments
RS1 RAID 5 1,2,4 5.23TB 0.00MB Rebuild: 0% complete
I was talking about this.
This looks like a RAID 5 setup without the parity to me. I would said it basically a RAID 0.
Also you metioned "I guess that previous spare must really have gone 'bad', despite having never been used! "
I wiped everything out, I selected the 3 disks and clicked on "Create RAID Set" with RAID5 selected and the "Use unassigned drives as spares" option checked. The 3rd disk has always been marked as the spare ever since then. You do not have a choice to create a "RAID5 setup without the parity". If I wanted a RAID0 I would have chosen a RAID0! raidutil now says
% sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
Total Avail
Raidsets Type Drives Size Size Comments
RS1 RAID 5 1,2,3,4 5.23TB 0.00MB No tasks running
Every time the system would 'lose' Drive 3 on boot, I would just keep rebooting until it was 'found', and then manually re-assign the now-'floating' drive as the spare - and the RAID would rebuild.
There was never a problem until the day that prompted this post - when it would not find Drive 3 no matter what I did. I turned the Mac Pro off for several hours until the drives had all cooled down and it still did not find the drive. I left the machine on but unmounted the degraded volume until I got the new replacement drive.
I really don't understand what you are getting at. It's like you are trying to tell me I set it up as a 4-drive RAID5 with no parity(!) and that I was in grave danger because one of the disks was gone. The actual RAID contents (spread across Drives 1, 2 and 4) were never in danger, unless a 2nd disk had failed while the spare was not seen by the Apple RAID card. I wasn't too worried about that happening. -
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By the way, without the RAID Card, the Mac (OS 10.6.4) sees the full 3TB, but not with it.
Anyone else seeing this?Okay. Seems Apple didn't plan for or certify 3TB.
However, Apple doesn't support using 3rd party drives. Some do, and in some situations, drives you would think work don't, or they work but only briefly.
When I said read FAQ I was thinking of all the points like this:
Question: *Which drives does Apple support for the Mac Pro RAID Card and the Xserve RAID Card?*
Answer: Only Apple SATA drives and Promise 450GB SAS Drive modules sold through the Apple Store are supported for use with the Mac Pro RAID Card (Early 2009) and the Xserve RAID Card (Early 2009).
Apple 300GB SAS Drive modules are supported with the Mac Pro RAID Card (Late 2007) and Xserve RAID Card (Early 2007).
Drives must be either all Serial ATA (SATA) or all Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) drives. SSD drive modules are not recommended for the Apple RAID Card because these drives use their own on-disk cache and cannot take advantage of the protection provided by the battery-backed cache on the RAID card.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1346#faq8
http://www.apple.com/support/macpro/
Apple Knowledge Base: recent changes:
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Apple Raid Card: Raid-1 volume degrading
Hello,
I have 2 Raid-1 volumes running on a late 2009 mac pro with an Apple raid card. The second Raid volume has degraded now 3 times in the last 2 1/2 weeks. Raid utility is saying that the drive is damaged but when I shutdown, pull the drive out of the bay and push it back in and then restart it says that the drive is good. After assigning it as a spare the Volume rebuilds and lasts about a week until the same thing starts all over again. Perhaps the drive is somehow damaged but it seems more like a connection problem. If this is a familar issue to anyone and someone has a suggestion it would be greatly appreciated.Maybe you need to do a full surface scan for bad or weak failing sectors.
Next time it drops out (or whenever you decide to remove it manually).
Use Disk Utility to Initialize with Write Zeroes option. This takes several hours.
If it completes without any error messages at all, it should then be good to use.
If Bad Blocks are found, they will generally be spared out by this process, and the drive can be good to use for a while, but is likely to fail within 6 months. You should consider moving it to light-duty or occasional use, such as backups.
Sometimes the Initialization will fail. If the drive is still under warranty, return it to the manufacturer for a refund/replacement. Original Apple drives have a one-year warranty, same as your Mac. Manufacturer warranties are often (but not always) 3 years or more. -
Mac Pro with Apple Raid Card - 1 drive OSX (JBOD) + 1 drive Vista?
Can anyone walk me through what I'd need to do to set up an early 2008 model Mac Pro with the Apple Raid Card pre-installed and 2 500 gig drives, so that I can have OSX on the first drive and Vista on the second?
I know it defeats the purpose of the raid card, but...
What I've done so far is:
1. Removed drive #2
2. Install and using Raid Utility, add the first drive as a JBOD set/volume
3. After install, shut down the machine
4. Re-add drive #2
5. Restart
6. Use disk utility to add drive #2
I tried to use bootcamp, but it only wants to put windows on the first drive - which won't work because it is RAID.Run Vista off an ATA interface in the 2nd optical drive. There is an SATA 2 ATA adapter.
I think you can boot Vista off some RAID controllers, check out Highpoint RocketRAIDs. Should be able to configure the RR.
Boot Vista off USB is a stretch. -
New drives help for APPLE RAID Card RAID Redo
Hi,
I've been happily using an Apple 3,1 MacPro with Apple RAID Card installed and connected to 4-500 GB Apple OEM drives. I'd like to redo my setup and replace the Apple drives with bigger drives. Someone said I could only use up to 2 TB drives - is this correct?
Has anyone done this or anything like it using Seagate Drives that are not Apple OEM. Will that work OK or will the Apple RAID Card want to see Apple OEM drives? Apple sells 2TB Seagates, but they cost a lot compared to non-OEM drives, but will cheaper generic Seagate Barracuddas work OK in every way?
Also, after accomplishing this upgrade, I'd like to upgrade this machine to the latest Lion and possibly even Moutain Lion System Software. Any issues perceived?
To reiterate, I'd like to increase my storage to the max in my Early 2008 MacPro3,1 which has the Apple RAID Card utilizing a RAID5. This is spec'd at "4 - 3.0 Gbps Serial ATA (SATA) controllers" but no mention is made of what the MAX Size drives that will be addressed by the RAID Card.
Thanks, and so long for now, TOMI thought it was an oxymoron to be using Apple RAID card, and to be happy.
It does not support drives larger than 2.2TB
Seagate's just seem to be more trouble. Any enterprise drive should do.
If you really really need RAID5 then maybe this card is useful, otherwise, no.,
There is much less than 300MB/sec x 4 in bandwith, they are shared and not independent, but the total is more like 800MB/sec maximum. Less overhead and other factors comes in more like 700MB/sec total max. \
SSDs have come a long way.
Use a PCIe cards to manage 2 x SSDs of 500GB up to 1TB
Use Disk Utility or SoftRAID 4 to manage 2-4 drive mirror or stripe arrays
10.8.4 has a bug that interferes with using 3TB and larger drives, just introduced bug.
This is the FIRST time there have been limits on drive size. And Apple RAID card. Seems the card is not getting updated firmware to address the need for larger drives. For those using SAS it is also a viable candidate.
SSD on its own to hold the system. 4 x 2TB WD Black for data and media storage. 4 x SSDs for scratch and graphic catalogues and media... all depends what your goal and use and type of programs.
No you do not need to use Apple's.
I cannot vouche for or seen someone doing so but I would hope that WD RED series would be suitable. -
Windows and Mac Pro w/ Apple RAID card
It happened i have a need to run Windows natively on Mac Pro with Apple RAID card installed.
I know there is no Windows driver for that card, but i had a hope to bypass RAID card via connecting of internal SATA drive directly to iPass(SSF-8087) connector of Mac Pro's motherboard and using of that drive for Windows.
So, i've connected SATA drive this way and it works fine with OS X.
But i can't even try it with Windows because Mac Pro doesn't boot up from Windows installation CD if Apple RAID card installed
Empty black text console is all that i've got after selecting of Windows installation CD in EFI boot menu.
I need a suggestion how to bypass my problem, or generally speaking, how to install Windows onto Mac Pro with Apple RAID card.I've tried that.
Installation and booting of WinXP passed OK if RAID card removed.
But i've got black screen again trying to boot WinXP after RAID card re-installed. -
How do I determine what needs attention on my Apple RAID card?
Every time I turn on the computer, I get a message that says," The Apple RAID Card installed in your system requires your attention."
This is what I have: RAID 065-7214 Mac Pro RAID Card
Why do I keep getting this message? I am not sure what needs to be done to rectify any error. If there is no error and the warning is just due to battery charging, then I would like the warning to stop appearing--or do I just have to continuously click "Ignore"? Any insight into this?
When I open RAID Utility it says: RAID set R0-1 has been mounted with indeterminate data loss. ( Is this just due to improper shutdown?)
Also: Controller reports RAID system 72-hour battery reserve unavailable-System is configured to run without battery.
Message was edited by: DarlyneI have had the exact same error message. When you open Raid Utility (that is where you can read what "attention" is needed you will see under the "Status" section what happened, and under the "Tasks" you will see the raid card "initializing" your RAID set. The first time I saw this I freaked, thinking that my drives were being reformatted, and my data would be lost. This is not the case. If you look down on the left side, you will (hopefully) see green lights next to your drives. The initialization seems to be a verification of the raid structure -- basically checking to make sure everything is redundant.
So, back to the original question: it seems from my poking around that you SHOULD NEVER TURN OFF your Mac Pro with an Apple Raid Card installed. The firmware is not able to spin down the drives correctly, so when you turn your machine back on, you get the error message we have been discussing.
I would recommend you get a good battery backup (UPS, like an APC) and just power off your monitor when not using your machine. I did not see this in the documentation, I am not 100% sure, but this is what I will be doing. In my case it takes many hours for the Raid Util to initialize my Raid again.
Hope this helps.
Theo -
What's the difference in Apple RAID card battery error messages?
I have a Mac Pro with 2 quad core Intel Harpertown CPUs at 3.2GHz, and an Apple RAID card. RAID Utility shows that the battery failed but in my research, nobody explains the difference between "Battery failed (code 0x#0 = 17)" (which is what I have) and "Battery failed (code 0x#0 = 18)" or ""Battery failed (other than expired)" (the latter two are what everybody talks about) and what the code numbers mean. Speaking to a local AASP, they recommend that I just wait for a couple of days to see if it's doing the automatic 72-hour reconditioning operation since my Mac Pro is attached to a pretty hefty UPS (2200VA with nothing else attached) and power failures where I live are rare plus the write cache has been disabled so the RAID card is basically doing write-throughs at the moment. But curiosity about the various, different error codes and messages is getting the better of me. Thanks in advance.
Also, what's worrying me (since RAID Utility is so vague) is this entry I found under "Hardware RAID" in System Profiler:
Status:
Charging: No
Conditioning: No
Connected: Yes
Discharging: No
Sufficient Charge: NoAs an update to this, once I replaced the RAID card battery (which was an absolute nightmare--the writer of the instructions at Apple obviously had never done it for real nor seen it done since they omit a lot of important things), the problem went away. But I'm still intrigued about what the error codes mean.
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Apple RAID card II - will it work in single CPU Mac Pro 4,1?
Will the Apple RAID card work in a quad core 2009 Mac Pro? I'm refurbing a used Mac Pro I got at a great price and just wondering if I can put in this card (which was "thrown in" with a used 8 core I also bought) with the idea of doing a RAID 10 to experiment with getting top disk read/write performance. I know most do not like the Apple RAID card II but it might be a cost effective way to max out performance on the single CPU, quad core Mac Pro. Ultimately I want to falsh the firmware to 5,1 and upgrade the CPU to a W3690 hex core. I plan to use this box for photography, light video and possibly sound editing. If my plan will result in high benchmarks and provide some fault tolerance I'm comfortable with using the card. I have heard from other users that the new card is much better than the first version and that it actually works pretty well. Any insights appreciated.
Heck!
Im about to win an eBay auction for a blue Apple RAID card together with a pair or SAS 300gb cheetah 15.5k discs for 75 bucks *happy*. Would have been healthy fast upgrade for small investment I thought?!
Guess it probably would have been if the thing worked!?
Why doesnt it work? iPass cable or something like that?
Suppose I still want to go the SAS route with those drives for performance. Any other cards not too expensive that will enable SAS in the Pro?
I use my MP 4,1 as a photo edit workstation but I also keep it on 24/7 for home server, web server, nas, backup etc. So i like to use items that are made for round the clock usage.
Or i just get inexpensive SATA drives and SoftRAID them. So RAID 0+1 is no problem in software RAID?
Thank you guy for quick informed response
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