Apple TV color space

To start my lcd TV is not calibrated so I know that there could be an issue there but to test my problem does any one know what color profile I should set up my photos with so that I get a better representation through my apple TV. IE should I profile using D65 1.8 gama SRGB or stick with what I profile my photos with on my computer. The photos come across with too much contrast i.e. my darks become black and my highlights are all blown out and there is too much red. I realize this may not be an Apple TV problem but if I can help the situation and improve my photos for display then any suggestions are welcome.

I posted something in line with this discussion when Apple TV came out a year ago.
Hope  would issue a video calibration kit like those in home theater. On that, I'm not sure who does the QC (quality control) on encoding the videos of both movies and TV shows.  or the studios/networks? If the encoding is all over the place, a video calibration kit from  will be useless.

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Your screen profile should generally not be set to your RGB Working Space as this would kind of negate Color Management.
And in the absence of a proper custom profile the maker’s default profile seems to be a valid choice.
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I have given up trying to use a Mac with a Dell or Samsung or Viewsonic monitor. Just ordered and received a StarTech.com DP to miniDP cable and was disappointed to see only YpbPR being output to my 22" Dell monitor. This is on top of the general fuziness and inaccurate colors. I've tried all sorts of other cables and adapters, both Apple and 3rd party, and the plain sad fact is that none of them work properly.
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I boot into Windows 7 on the same Mac using Bootcamp and my Dell monitor works perfectly.
It's OSX's display drivers that just don't play nice with Dell or Samsung or Viewsonic monitors. There's no other explanation because every other combination has problems with OSX and non-Apple monitors.
I can get into the long description of every possible adapter and cable I've tried (as well as the terminal command to adjust font smoothing). If I want the type to look right and the colors to look right, I just have to use an Apple monitor, which is aggravating as I have plenty of larger monitors here at work that I'd rather use.
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Ok, I'll try to be clearer to the best of my abilities.
1st off, There are 2 kinds of color spaces. Device-dependent and device-independent. Hence, a display has a limited color gamut that it can produce, it has it's own color space.
When I calibrated mine, this was the result:
Purple: Adobe RGB 1998
Green: sRGB
Red: Display's Gamut
The thing is, before I calibrated my monitor, I thought it had an Adobe RGB 1998. Got pretty desapointed when I found out it didn't... Nevertheless, what I'm looking is to know if there's any Apple display with a larger gamut than the one from my Mac or if they're all sRGB...
Hope to have been more clear this time.

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Johann M Ginther

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>As for calibration hardware we do use them here so I will use it but since the Mac was brand new out the box I assumed that it was ok...
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Welcome to the Apple Discussions. I'll try to answer those that I can.
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