Apple TV on non HDMI TV, Apple TV on non HDMI TV
Can I operate an Apple TV device with a non HDMI TV (has Composite, VGA, Scart).
Do I need an adapter (cable) or a converter?
I found a solution on a help-site called Macmanus.nl, it's an even more elegant solution that a regular converter :
- a cable with an integrated DAC-converter
- HDCP-compliant
- tested to work for Apple TV 3
Google for "fixed : using the AppleTV on an HD-ready TV without HDMI-input"
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Is there any type of conversion method I can use to connect my Apple TV 2 to a Non-HDMI TV. The Apple TV only had the HDMI port and I am looking to connect my non-HDMI tv to Netflix. I bought a VGA to HDMI cable on ebay, but it doesnt seem to be working. Thank you very much to anyone that can help.
dmule wrote:
Well that blows!!! All I want to do us watch Netflix and the occasional iTunes rental on a tv that doesn't have hdmi inputs. It supports 720p. Is it a conspiracy to get people to "upgrade" to a tv that has hdmi inputs? I don't want circumvent copyright protection, I just want to be able to use this tv for something other than just watching dvd's and satellite programing, without having to buy a new tv.
The "almighty" must have calculated that to make more money means selling more product, and that would mean accommodating those that might not have "hdmi" inputs. I have the ability to buy many more atv2's, but why? If it means I would have to "break the law" in order to use them as they were intended?
If you were using them "as intended" your TV would have a compliant HDMI input and this thread would not exist.
There are many choices in TV streaming devices, many of those choices have connectors other than HDMI, choose one of them instead or get a new TV.
As Apple appear to be in the minority in only providing HDMI it's not much of a "conspiracy" is it now. -
APPLE TV 2 - Can I connect to non-HDMI TV via HDMI-capable AV reciever?
I have an older Sony Trinitron TV that is not HDMI-capable. I have all of my video components (DirecTV, Blu-Ray, Wii) connected to it via component cable from a DENON AVR-2307C1 receiver. I connected my new Apple TV 2 to the receiver via the HDMI cable and set up the receiver input properly. I can hear the Apple TV (I'm getting the Welcome voice message) but only get a black screen. Is there any way to make this work? Could it be as simple as a bad HDMI cable? Or should I return the Apple TV?
Thanks,
IanSOLVED....I had the same issue when I bought my son an apple tv and discovered he has an older tv without hdmi, but WAS ABLE TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE! You need to buy an HDMI to RCA converter. I got the HDMI to 5 RCA because he has the 5 red, green, blue video w/ red & white audio inputs, if you only have three inputs, red,white and yellow you can get the HDMI to RCA 3 converter. I got the converter on Amazon for around $35.00. It works like a charm! This is the one I purchased. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002WBOQPU/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=132 4389131&sr=8-1&condition=new Hope this helps as both my son and I are extremely happy that he can use the Apple tv with his older TV.
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I want to buy a new apple tv but it used hdmi cables and my house is only wired for analog. Is there any way I can use the apple tv on analog cables?
Welcome to the Apple Community.
It's do-able, but I don't think it's a great idea.
DVI
Some users with DVI have managed to get their TV's to work with DVI-HDMI cables. DVI carries no audio, so alternative connections need to be explored to enable audio. DVI doesn't necessarily support HDCP as well as other standards used by HDMI (which may or may not be an issue)
Analogue
There are hardware converters that will convert HDMI to various other types of output, however there are some issues with doing so that you should be aware of.
HDCP
HDCP compliant converters will not allow you to watch HDCP protected content such as that from the iTunes Store. Non compliant converters exist but we cannot discuss them under the Terms of Use for these communities.
Resolution and aspect ratio
I'm not aware of any converters that will scale the output from the Apple TV, any TV or projector which is used will need to be widescreen and support resolutions of 720p (Apple TV 2), 720p/1080p (Apple TV 3)
DAC
DAC (Example Only - Not a recommendation or suggestion that this is suitable in your circumstances) -
How do i connect my apple tv to my tv but it doesnt have an hdmi input
How do i connect my apple tv to my tv if my tv doesnt have an hdmi input ??? i have the apple tv 2 and didnt realize when i bought it so what cord do i need to make it work ???
Welcome to the Apple Community.
There are hardware converters that will convert HDMI to various other types of output, however there are some issues with doing so that you should be aware of.
HDCP
HDCP compliant converters will not allow you to watch HDCP protected content such as that from the iTunes Store. Non compliant converters exist but we cannot discuss them under the Terms of Use for these communities.
Resolution and aspect ratio
I'm not aware of any converters that will scale the output from the Apple TV, any TV or projector which is used will need to be widescreen and support resolutions of 720p. -
How to connect Apple TV to Projector with no HDMI
I have a projector with S-video, rca, and vga connections but no HDMI. I would like to get an apple tv and use airplay with my ipad 2. Are there hdmi to rca or vga converters that will work well with Apple TV. I've searched different things but it's just confusing me.
Welcome to the Apple Community.
There are hardware converters that will convert HDMI to various other types of output, however there are some issues with doing so that you should be aware of.
HDCP
HDCP compliant converters will not allow you to watch HDCP protected content such as that from the iTunes Store. Non compliant converters exist but we cannot discuss them under the Terms of Use for these communities.
Resolution and aspect ratio
I'm not aware of any converters that will scale the output from the Apple TV, any TV or projectoe which is used will need to be widescreen and support resolutions of 720p or 480p. -
How to connect Apple TV without HDMI input, what are my options?
I don't have HDMI input on my TV, but I have RCA, RGB, S-Video, Audio input, and a few others. What options exist to make the Apple TV work and still get HD quality (aside from getting a new TV)?
Thanks!Welcome to the Apple Community.
DVI
Some users with DVI have managed to get their TV's to work with DVI-HDMI cables. DVI carries no audio, so alternative connections need to be explored to enable audio. DVI doesn't necessarily support HDCP as well as other standards used by HDMI (which may or may not be an issue)
Analogue (component, composite etc)
There are hardware converters that will convert HDMI to various other types of output, however there are some issues with doing so that you should be aware of.
HDCP
HDCP compliant converters will not allow you to watch HDCP protected content such as that from the iTunes Store. Non compliant converters exist but we cannot discuss them under the Terms of Use for these communities.
Resolution and aspect ratio
I'm not aware of any converters that will scale the output from the Apple TV, any TV or projector which is used will ideally need to be widescreen and support resolutions of 720p (Apple TV 2), 720p/1080p (Apple TV 3), although the Apple TV does have a number of 4:3 resolutions it supports, but these may not be available if the TV doesn't broadcast them.
DAC
Most types of HDMI to non HDMI connectors or converters won’t carry audio, in such cases you may also need to convert your optical output to an analogue signal using a DAC.
DAC (Example Only - Not a recommendation or suggestion that this is suitable in your circumstances) -
I have an HDMI connection to the receiver and on to the TV - but there is non audio from my Apple TV. Not for movies, music, YouTube etc. I have checked all of the connections and the video is xlnt. Have also toggled thru all possible Dolby/Audio combinations in settings. Help! Any suggestions?
Hello again Parker -
The basic setup is Digital Cable Box, DVD Player, Denon Receiver/Amp and TV Monitor. To that I added the Apple TV. The Receiver only has two HDMI IN slots (one for cable and one for the DVD) and one out to the Monitor.
[I bought a switcher to toggle the DVD and the AppleTV back and forth but just disconnected the DVD to simplify when I ran in to trouble.]
So now I have:
HDMI from the Cable Box to the Receiver
HDMI from the Apple TV to the Receiver (in the old DVD slot which always worked well)
HDMI from the Receiver to the Monitor
RCA's from the Receiver to the Subwoofer and the other speakers
In addition I have some backup connections:
S-Video, Optical Audio and L/R RCA's from the Cable Box to the Receiver
S-Video from the Receiver to the Monitor
Wait - JUST FOUND IT!
By going thru the excercise to track all of the connections per your suggestion, I found an anomaly when I switched Receiver sockets for the HDMI links. The video moved but the audio didn't. Turns out the monitor was using the optical audio feed from the receiver. So I disconnected the optical audio and the monitor automatically switched to the HDMI audio feed! Looked promising...
So I first connected an optical audio feed from the ATV to the receiver - Audio! Then I pulled it, but the audio didn't switch to the HDMI feed. It stopped. Would be OK if all I was going to use is the ATV, but I need the DVD player too and I can't use a switcher to toggle between them if I have to unplug the optical audio each time.
This is becoming a career! Any suggestions?
Will -
My experience with Apple TV and HDMI/HDCP issues
I am convinced that it is the software update to 4.2.2 from 4.2.1 that is causing this issue. All forms of applications only worked once for me and then it reverted back to HDCP issues. I read several postings everywhere including plenty at Apple's forum and AVS where people were very frustrated with this HDCP issues. Anyways, here is what I did before taking it back to Apple store....I bought AUVIO high speed cables from Radio Shack which is rated very high and tried that and I still got HDCP issues when using NetFlix or AirPlay from iPad. Youtube from Apple TV always worked well without HDCP complaints.
I packed everything back and took it to Apple Store (you can return without re-stocking fee up to 14 days from the day of purchase). After 14 days, you cannot even return it and you can ONLY fix it. I waited for a Technician. They heard my complaints but didn't refute any of it (possibly because they have had numerous complaints on this product). It took 5 minutes inside for them to test and see similar issues with the box that I had. So, they have swapped it for a new box. Before I left the store, I checked the settings including software version and Audio/Video settings in the Apple TV that is connected at the store. I found three main differences none of which the Apple customer service staff agreed could be the reason for my problems (surprise!!)
1. The software update from the shelf and the one they were using was NOT updated to 4.2.2 (it was still running 4.2.1)
2. Because of the software update, the Audio/Video setting for HDMI had the options to toggle between Auto, RGBy, RGBhi & RGBlo bandwidth. I believe this was in place to make the HDMI interface output as component with higher or lower bandwidth but the newer update will ONLY give you the Auto option (!!!)
3. They had this directly Ethernet wired and not through Wireless network and were recieving the all the full bar strength signals. On the box that I returned, eventhough I have 18 Mbps speed at the house (any given time of the day), the Network speed test was taking a long time. Moreover, after the Apple TV network test, it doesn't spit out the outcome of the tests (a BIG bummer and useless for testing).
Anyways, I took the new box and hooked it up directly to my SONY BRAVIA XBR3 TV to one of the HDMI ports, disabled the feature to send or recieve data to Apple directly and did NOT update the software. It worked fine and have tested all of the options. From what I have read so far (I have only spent 30 hours of my weekend on this when Apple product hookups are supposed to take 5 minutes ONLY), there is NO guarantee that it will work continuously as people have had things work on them for 6 months and then suddenly have the HDCP issues.
Will wait to see....if it continues to work....I figured it out. Had to go to general settings on the main screen and restart. Synch of audio is much better.
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I have some dts cd's that I want to import into itunes on a windows pc and then play back on my apple tv 3 (i think its 3, about 9 months old) to listen to through my onkyo amp via hdmi as dts, when I play back I just get white noise. I have seen lots of old posts which go on about converting files but am wondering wherher at the current time with the latest versions of itunes and apple tv whether this should by now be a virtual play out of the box solution.
I have tried connecting my atv to the amp by optical cable but that didnt produce anything better and am assuming that a hdmi cable should be able to reproduce everything an optical cable does.
Is this something I should be able to achieve without having to recode the files?
Tracks are imported to itunes as apple lossless, have tried setting the atv audio settings to auto and 16 bit, neither works yet I was told some time ago by an apple rep that the atv shoud be able to handle any type of audio as it just passes it to the amp to decode. I am not stupid but not that technical when it comes to audio and bitrates etc so any explaination would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance for any helpWilly, the procdedure you describe works perfectly for AppleTV G1. In fact, I frequently play DTS music discs ripped to my iTunes library as Apple Lossless (ALAC) and synched to the ATV. What happens is that, as far as iTunes and the ATV are concerned, a conventional stereo 16/44 audio file is being played; however my reciever detects the DTS data stream, and instead of outputting static, it decodes the 5.1 channels correctly. This process parallels the way DTS discs were designed to be played back: a conventional CD player is connceted, via digital out, to a DTS-aware reciever/pre-amp and the two channels of static are recognized as 6 channels of DTS-encoded audio.
However this process will only work if the player (CD, ATV, PC, etc.) sends a "bit-perfect" 16 bit/44.1 khz data stream to the decoding device. In the case of ATV G2 and G3, as has been discussed elsewhere, the unit resmaples all audio - including 16/44 PCM (Redbook CD) - to 16/48. While this is not a big deal for conventional audio CDs, MP3s, and AAC files, it mangles the fragile DTS datastream and renders it undecodable. The resulting static that you hear is just like the static you would hear if you played a DTS CD on a non-DTS capable system.
Sadly, I'm not aware of any easy way around this. You could use a program like Foobar (and the DTS plugin) to convert your DTS CDs to 6-ch .wav or .flac file. From there you could transcode the file to AC-3 and then mux it into a video container that ATV supports. You may need add a dummy video track, for iTunes/AppleTV to be ok with the file, though I'm not sure. This may be a lot of work.
Sorry for the bad news. I wish that the iTunes/ATV ecosystem had better multi-channel audio support.
Steven -
If I purchase a non-apple monitor and connect to my Macbook Pro, will I be able to put it to sleep?
I'm looking to buy a monitor or two for my laptop (Retina Macbook Pro 2013 model (not the latest one)). There are a few things that I would like to understand.
- If I'm going to get the Apple Cinema Display, I know I will be using thunderbolt to connect my laptop to it. If I get a non-Apple monitor though, what will I be using? HDMI? also thunderbolt? is thunderbolt exclusive to Apple or can non-Apple monitors use thunderbolt as well.
- As far as sizing and resolution, I know that I have to pay attention to the resolution of the monitor I'm getting to make sure I'm getting the quality I'm looking for as opposed to just looking at the size of it. Ideally, I would want my monitor to look like my Retina Macbook, whats the resolution I should be looking for? Is Retina too much for a monitor? if so, whats a good resolution for a monitor that my Macbook can support fully, what size will work without reducing the quality? does dual screens (even if the second screen was the laptop screen) reduce the quality of one of the monitors?
- I don’t know if this an exclusive thing to when using an Apple monitor but, would I be able to put my laptop to sleep (actually close the lid) while it mirrors to the monitor? Is this only possible when using thunderbolt and therefore it can only happen with Apple Cinema Display? or can it happen with other cables?
- Finally what are your recommendations for monitors that are good. I'm debating between one 27/30 inch monitor and two 21/23 inch display. LCD? LED?This is more about your modem then anything. Sometimes you'll need to unplug and plug back in your modem. Consider it a glitch from the ISP or just the modem in general.
when I need to turn something off then on I try the modem first. This when I'm not doing any ware and tare to the device. -
I just bought a new Apple TV 3 today so I can watch shows from Hulu Plus without having to physically plug in separate audio and video cables from my Macbook Air to the TV every time. I have a non-widescreen TV and when I normally watch Hulu Plus on the TV (though Safari on my plugged in Macbook Air as mentioned above), the entire wide screen shot is shown with black bands above and below the sceen shot since I am watching a widescreen program on a non-widescreen TV.
However, I noticed that when I watch the same show through Hulu Plus on my new Apple TV 3, the left and right edges of the shot are chopped off to make the program fill my non-widescreen TV. This bothers me because I would like to see the full shot and not just the chopped off middle portion. This is a real bummber because watching Hulu Plus without having to plug in my laptop is the only reason I bought the Apple TV. Is there anything I can do about this?
Thanks!
(FYI: I have the very first Macbook Air that is not capable of mirroring)How are you actually connected to the TV? Does it have HDMI? Most non-widescreen TVs would not.
I would suspect a converter is either not outputting properly, your TV not interpreting the signal properly or you have some form of Zoom setting enabled on the TV.
How does your TV handle widescreen from say cable or terrestrial TV sources ?
Unfortunately AppleTV is not designed to be used with non-widescreen TVs so there's no setting on AppleTV to tweak.
AC -
i just purchased the apple tv, i have an older tv that does not have an HDMI input. is there a converter i can get because the itv only have an HDMI output ? help.
Welcome to the Apple Community.
There are hardware converters that will convert HDMI to various other types of output, however there are some issues with doing so that you should be aware of.
HDCP
HDCP compliant converters will not allow you to watch HDCP protected content such as that from the iTunes Store. Non compliant converters exist but we cannot discuss them under the Terms of Use for these communities.
Resolution and aspect ratio
I'm not aware of any converters that will scale the output from the Apple TV, any TV or projector which is used will need to be widescreen and support resolutions of 720p. -
How do get video to hdmi TV port without using apple tv?
My new non retina macbook pro 13 inch is supposed to arrive soon. My old 42 inch Vizeo only has one hdmi port that works so I was planning to use it a s moniter for my DAW. The apple tv is for the living room, not the room where my DAW is. But as far as I can tell there is no mini display or anything on this computer other than thunderbold , usb and firewire, the firewire to be used for my MOTU audio interface. Any ideas on how to get this old VIzeo to be external moniter basically
Take a look at this;
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4241
There's some additional links in there to the products themselves. Will allow you to connect it to the HDMI port on the TV and not have to use the Apple TV.
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Adding a non apple 1080p monitor as second display to 2011 iMac 27"
Looking to add a second display to my new iMac but cant afford another thunderbolt screen. What is the best port and then cable to use to connect a non Apple 1080p slave monitor? I assume DVI or HDMI on the slave monitor side but what port on the iMac side? only choices are USB, Firewire, & Thunderbolt. Advice much appreciated!
Thunderbolt is based on DisplayPort technology and a Mini DisplayPort adapter plugs right into the Thunderbolt port. So depending on your monitors connection, you most likely will need a Mini-DVI to HDMI or Mini-DVI to DVI adapter.
Moshi Mini DP to HDMI Adapter with Audio Support - Apple Store (U.S.)
Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter - Apple Store (U.S.)
Also see > Apple - Thunderbolt: Next-generation high-speed I/O technology.
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