Apple TV speaker connection
I'm looking for some suggestions regarding the best way to do the following;
While building my house I pre-wired my master bathroom with wire to allow me to install speakers in the ceiling. Those wires run to a location above the bathroom door where I intend to install a small 22" TV and an Apple TV. The thought is to have the ability to listen to music or watch movies while getting ready or taking a bath (wife).
My problem and where I'm looking for help is, a device(s) to output the sound from Apple TV to an amp(?) to drive the speakers mounted in the bathroom ceiling. I'm guessing I will have to go from TOS (optical) out to an amp. Has anybody done something like this or seen a product(s) that would allow me to drive those speakers?
Thanks for the help
I have an Apple TV in the bathroom, I also have a TV in the bathroom, but it's built for a bathroom, I certainly wouldn't recommend you putting a regular TV in a bathroom. My particular TV doesn't output an analogue signal from a digital input (Apple TV) so I have the analogue output from the TV (for regular viewing) connected to one input on an amp and the optical from the Apple TV via a DAC to another input. I have the amp accessible from the garage so there aren't any non IP rated devices to fiddle with in the bathroom.
I also have an airport express connected to the same amp so I can airplay music from my phone without having the TV in use at all.
Of course it also helps if you can control the amp from the phone as well.
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