Applying filters to patterns or gradients.

I am an intermediate to moderatley advanced user of CS5 but can anyone tell me of a way to apply a filter such as blur or liquify to a pre-existing pattern or gradient (overlay) please? Can a pattern or gradient be put on it's own editable layer for instance? Have tried a few ways so far but without success. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

davealexuk wrote:
Can a pattern or gradient be put on it's own editable layer for instance?
Try the following:
Create a new blank layer
Click on Edit > Fill > Use Pattern (select you pattern)
Click on Filter > Blur > gaussain blur (to blur your pattern)
The layer with the pattern can be edited or filtered as needed. Other ways of working with patterns exist as well.
Paulo

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