Applying parent keywords

How do I automatically apply parent keywords in Lightroom 3? Apparently there's a setting in Keyword Preferences, but I can't locate Keyword Preferences anywhere in the Library module.

walterono wrote:
"Because Lightroom assigns parental keywords to exports, there is no reason to explictly assign them in Lightroom ..."
Why not?
Why?
I'm not being a smart a$$ here - its reasonable question: what are you trying to accomplish in so doing, since it will already be done for you upon export, AND parental keyword assignment is implied internally when doing library filtering and smart collecting, SO the only place it matters is in the Keyword List.
I dont remember all the reasons now why I decided to remove parental assignments. And, many others have come to the same conclusion. Thus the useful button in KeywordConsolidator titled "Remove All Parental Assignments".
The one reason I do remember is:
When I shoot a bird but dont know what kind it is, I just assign it to "bird". When I find out its a Northern Red-Shafted Flicker, I assign it to the sub-keyword "NorthernRedShaftedFlicker", and then remove the parental "bird" assignment. So, I can tell at a glance how many uncategorized birds I have in the keyword list pane. Note: despite the removal of the parental "bird" assignment, the "bird" keyword is still exported, and if I filter or smart-collect on "bird", the "northern-red-shafted-flicker" will still be included.
Scorecard:
Reasons to use parental assignment: 0
Remembered reasons not to 1
Unremembered reasons not to ?
Summary:
Unless you can come up with a reason for doing it, I'd say: "dont".
Rob

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Hello everyone,
I want to search for images that have top-level keywords only, but not the child keywords. For example, if I have a 'birds' keyword with child keywords in it...
Birds
-Bald Eagle
-Heron
--Green Heron
--Blue Heron
-Pheasant
...if I keyword search for 'Birds', it brings up everything else in that birds category.
Normally this would be fine, but sometimes I don't know the name of birds in my photos, so I just assign them the generic keyword 'birds'. Occasionally, I would like to be able to go back to my 'birds' keyword, and find only those images that haven't been tagged with a deeper-level keyword.
Is this possible to do? I can't seem to find a way to do it. I appreciate any help.
-Jeff

I'm pretty sure Apple has actually improved the handling of parent keywords and the keyword hierarchy since 3.0 came out. It used to not really work at all.
Now it works as described in this thread. (Search on the parent keyword, and Aperture will find all images tagged with any of the children keywords.) This is, imho, very useful, and requires (I think) only one small user restriction to give Aperture the behavior most seem to expect from a nested (i.e.: hierarchical) keyword structure.
The "user restriction" is to give a special marker to parent keywords (to identify them as containers of keywords, separate from keywords), and to use these container keywords only as containers (that is, do not apply them to images).
I prefix all top-level containers with "aa.". This is arbitrary, but it has some reasons to recommend it:
. it forces the containers to the top of the keyword hierarchy
. it stands out without making the name harder to read at a glance
. the period allows one to double-click either the prefix or the suffix to select it in isolation
. it allows straightforward modification for hierarchy depth (see below).
In practice (using the example in this thread), the keyword hierarchy might be (as a starting point):
aa.Animals {top-level category}
bb.Birds {second-level category}
cc.Hawks {third-level category}
HawkUnspecified {child in third-level category}
HawkRedShouldered {child in third-level category}
HawkSharpshinned {child in third-level category}
{Etc.}
This immediately (afaict) solves several related usage problems. All hawk images show up when images are filtered for "Animals" or "Birds". One can easily search for "all hawks" or a specific hawk. One can easily tag hawks to be specified later, and easily recall those images. All the "Hawk" tags are gathered together alphabetically (as well as hierarchically) -- makes creating filters much easier. The Keyword HUD is much more useful as a reporting tool. (There is an added complexity: the keyword "HawkUnspecified" must be manually removed after the hawk is specified (a good use of a complex Smart Album).)
Additionally, this system allows for (IME) much easier maintenance of the Keyword list (renaming and moving).
#1 Keyword hint: use "{Option}+click" in the Filter HUD Keyword Rule to limit the selection to the clicked Keyword. Any time you filter on Keyword and don't get the result you expect, this is the first thing to check.
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Parent keyword doesn't indicate number of images

hallo,
in lr3.2 i create in keyword list the keyword animals.
Then i create two sub-keywords cats and dogs.
i tag images and have 6 cats and 5 dogs.
animals doesn't indicate 11 images. however sorting by animals displays 11 images.
I left all options checked (export parent,...)
if i click on a image of dog, is see in keywors only dogs.
animals has not been added automatically as a parent.
I am sure in LR1.4 and first versions of LR2 that these both things work correctly.
On a nikon passion forum a lr3.2 user confirms it works as expected.
On another forum they say it is normal I need to add myself keyword animals
Can you please tell me what i need to do ?
best regards
marc

hallo,
thanks for reply
this should be an option in child keywords.
i agree that if you define :
- places>italy, it is stupid to add places because you can't sort by "places"
in my cases, all parent keywords are meaningful like animals, nature,portraits>family>cindy, ...
so it is strange to change the behaviour.
moreover for sorting with another application, sorting by "animals" becomes impossible.
adding synonyms is the same.
not happy with this decision
best regards
marc

Why is iPhoto applying one keyword to all photos?

I have been meticulously adding keywords to a very large group of photos to help organize them. A few times now, a keyword I applied to a selection of photos - maybe 100 out of thousands - ends up applied to my entire photo collection. Anyone know what I did, if anything, to make this happen? It's a real drag, considering the only way to fix the issue is to remove the offending keyword from all of my photos in one fell swoop and then go back and re-do the ones that I DID want tagged. So frustrating!
The last time it happened, I had checked after applying one keyword to a few hundred photos, and they grouped together perfectly when I ran a search. Twenty minutes later after working on some other keywords, suddenly all of my photos had the keyword that had just previously worked fine.
Love to hear your suggestions and ideas.
Thanks,
D

Ziggar
Welcome to the Apple Discussions.
That does seem extraordinary. I can see how that might take an hour or so, but nothing like that long.
Here’s a test. Grab a folder full of those images and drag it to the desktop. See how long that takes.
Then try import the same folder and compare the time. (It will take a little longer with indexing etc)
This will tell us if the issue is in iPhoto on more general.
Regards
TD

How does one not include parent keywords on Export?

I am new to Lightroom and have an issue regarding keywording. I put my keywords into my RAW files. Then I export the RAW to a jpg. The jpg always includes the parent keywords of the keywords I enter for the RAW file. I do not want this to happen!! I only want the keywords I enter. There seems to be no way to prevent this from ocurring (at least none that I have found).
So, is there a way to prevent the inclusion of parent keywords on export? In addition, is there a way to promote my sub-keywords so they no longer have parents?
Thank you.

I have already tried unchecking the "include on export".
You need to uncheck "Export Containing Keywords" of the child keyword. For example, if you have the hierarchy Places > United States, and you don't want "Places" exported, you need to uncheck "Export Containing Keywords" from the keyword "United States":
Also, in the File > Export dialog, be sure to uncheck the option Metadata > Write Keywords As Lightroom Hierarchy. This will stop the child keywords from getting written into the exported metadata fully qualified; e.g. the keyword will be written as "United States" rather than "Places|United States".

Smart collection - stacked pictures & parent keywords

Hi everyone!
I'm playing around with smart collections and am wondering it there is a possibility
- to filter for stacked photos and / or the first (front) picture of a photo stack...
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cyber-r wrote:
Hi everyone!
I'm playing around with smart collections and am wondering it there is a possibility
- to filter for stacked photos and / or the first (front) picture of a photo stack...
- to filter for a parent keyword that is not attributed itself - it should show all the pictures with the respective child keywords (but
Not possible with Lr's built in smart collections options, but there may be third party plug-in around that support what you're asking for. Try a search on Adobe Lightroom Exchange http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=productHome&exc=25

Apply one Keyword to multiple pictures in Aperture does not work for me

According to the Aperture Users Guide it should be very simple to apply one (or several) keywords to one or several pictures. In my case I can apply one or several keywords to ONE picture at a time. However, when I select a bunch of pictures and try to apply a keyword either using the Keywords HUD or the Keywords Control bar, the keyword gets only applied to the picture I move the keyword on-to. I can not apply the same keyword to many selected pictures at the same time. What am I doing wrong?
I select the group of pictures in the Browser and can clearly see that they are selected as they are highlighted. Then I grab the keyword I want to apply from the Keyword HUD and drag and drop it onto one of the selected pictures either in the Browser or the filmstrip window. But regardless of how I do it, only one picture shows the keyword in its Info panel.
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Tahunga

That's exactly it !!! In fact, I have my Aperture libraries on an external drive so I can switch between my MacBook Air and my iMac. This morning I opened the pictures on my iMac and noticed that I did not experience the problem with the keywords. Now I am back on my laptop and checked for the "Primary Only", and yes, it was "on" on the laptop ... I simply turned it off and the problem is no longer ... Thanks for your help. Take a couple of Gold Stars for you.

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I don't know how to describe this problem succinctly, so I don't know how to search for it in the knowledgebase or forums. Can anybody help?
I want a keyword hierarchy with "US" as parent keyword of 50 states name keywords. I have many images with state keywords, but I also have some images that are tagged only with "US" but no state tag, as they are not specific to a state.
How do I *easily* find only the images tagged "US" but with no state tags? Clicking on "US" in the keyword panel shows me all images tagged with "US" and all with state tags, but I just want the ones tagged "US".
I can use "Find" to find "US" images NOT CONTAINING "AL AK AR AS AZ..." by enumerating all 50 states, but that's a terribly awkward way filter out images tagged with state names. I can't see a button or filter that shows only the images with a parent tag but without child tags
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John, this seemed like a great idea. I tried it, and it seemed to work. There was an immediate problem because when there are lots of keywords it means a lot of scrolling and it can be hard to locate rail among rain rate rails etc. because the font is so small. A second problem was that you are forced to mouse scroll - cant page down or up or use home or end. That can be a lot of scrolling. a third problem is that it seems you have to reselect flat view each time.
a more serious problem is that it seems to have stopped working. I'm not quite sure what i did but i have a keyword verb with 5 items and about 1125 child keywords (such as to sing to run etc.) for 1125 photos i click on the verb arrow in the keywords so i bring up 1125 pictures of verbs. now i go to metadata switch to flat view. i can now see "verb" as a keyword in the metadata panel, but when i click on it, nothing happens - I still have 1125 selected photos. Furthermore i cannot click on any other keyword in the metadata panel - that is nothing happens when i click. if I return it to hierarchical view it is fine. then Lightroom 4 64-bit stopped working. when i restarted the program it was still in flat view and i was now able to click on the metadata panel and see appropriate collections. then it stopped working again after i clicked on the keyword panel (but did not actually select anything). in total i have about 3000 keywords and about 100000 photos on local and network drives. it looks to me like flat view has some serious problems, but perhaps its something i am doing....
i also have to say that even if it worked perfectly, i still might prefer other solutions because scrolling up and down for 3000 keywords can be tedious - its difficult to prevent overshooting and undershooting the mark. if the keyword and metadata panels could be undocked that would probably be a big help.

How to remove parent keywords in photos?

Hi all,
I have started the laborious task to keywording my photos in Aperture 3, all 35,000+. I recently imported my photos folder into Aperture and will eventually restructure the library hierarchy based on keywords.
To help give me a kick start on keywording, I purchased the Controlled Vocabulary Keyword Catalog. This has been a big help. I still have had to add my own keywords. But, at least, I didn't have to start from scratch.
I eventually plan to do detailed keywording as I build out my keyword hierarchy. But for now I may use more general keywords. For example, I may assign the keyword "mammal" to a set of photos. Later on, I may add the keywords elephant, bear, beaver, etc. which are all have the parent keyword of mammal.
It would be very nice when assigning new keywords to photos for Aperture to be able to remove parent keywords from the updated photos. Is there a way to remove parent keywords from photos in Aperture either built-in or via plug-in or Apple Script?
PS: Yes, I know that specific keywords can be manually removed for individual photos a a group of selected photos. I am looking for a way to do clean up keywords in batch instead of manually doing this. Trying to save time.
Thanks!
Steven
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Since you have two External Definitions and you are using both in on mapping hence your scenario becomes 1:N mapping scenario and this is the reason you are getting the additional nodes in your mapping.
so if your requirement is 1:N then whatever you are getting is correct, you can refer the below mentioned blog for help on this, But if you don't want the additonal nodes then you have to create TWO different mappings and used the external definitions seprately in each mapping.
/people/jin.shin/blog/2006/02/07/multi-mapping-without-bpm--yes-it146s-possible
I hope it helps...

When adding a keyword to a photo, if there's a parent keyword, why isn't photo added to that??

I have a keyword setup that includes this kind of hierarchy:
iOS Apps
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My question is:
If I tag a photo with "instagram," for example, I would think that "iOS Apps" would automatically be added to it ... but that's not the case ...???

Remember: for all most practical purposes, your photos have the iOS parent keyword and the child keyword, even though parent keyword is not checked in the Keyword List pane.
Do this experiment:
* Choose a photo and assign ( iOS > ) Instagram keyword (just the child).
Go to library module and filter for all photos with iOS keyword - voila - there's your photo (right?).
Eroxx1818 wrote:
Feel free to tell me..
The bottom line: all most of the advantages (correct me if I'm wrong) with none of the disadvantages.
PS - after receiving feature request(s) to remove explicit parental assignments, I added the feature to do so to Keyword Consolidator plugin. That feature is used by people who started out doing parental assignments, then realized implicit assignment was preferred. So far, I have NOT had a feature request to add explicit parental assignments. So I kick the burden back to you - if you can explain why implicit parental assignment is inferior for you, then I'll add a feature to Keyword Consolidator to add explicit parental assignments automatically - it would be very easy to do.
Rob

Parent keyword not applied when child (nested?) is selected

All,
I apologize if this has been answered somewhere else. I did a search and didn't come up with a solution.
In Bridge I set up a heirarchy of keywords.
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When you apply a subkeyword to an image, the containing keywords are implicitly applied to the image within the catalog. In your example, when you apply Denver to an image, Colorado and United States are also implicitly applied.
When you search for a keyword using the Library Filter Bar, Smart Collections, or the right-panel Keyword List, LR will always include images with the keyword's contained subkeywords. For example, if you search for United States, LR will also include Colorado and Denver.
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Right-click a keyword in the Keyword List pane, select Edit, and check/uncheck the option Export Containing Keywords. When checked, LR will write the containing keywords of the keyword into files' metadata when you do Save Metadata To File or when you export the image. In your example, if an image is tagged with Denver, then when the option is checked, Colorado and United States will also be written to the image's metadata.
When LR writes keywords to a cataloged file's metadata, it stores the plain keywords in the standard metadata fields (XMP:Subject, IPTC:Keywords). It also stores fully qualified hierarchical keywords in the field XMP:HiearchicalSubject (e.g. "United States|Colorado|Denver"). You can control whether that metadata field is added to images exported by File > Export using the export option Metadata > Write Keywords As Lightroom Heirarchy.

When apply Parent Binding on User Control, then the textbox ivalueconvoter stop working in User control

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HT202789 How can I apply new keywords in iMovie (2013)?

I can't find the keyword button and can't activate it in advanced tools anymore, so how do I apply keywords to clips in iMovie (2013)?

Greetings anadk,
Thanks for contributing to the Apple Support Communities.
It looks like you've found the article regarding accessing keywords from previous versions of iMovie in iMovie (2013). While you can use keywords from projects created in previous version of iMovie, this is not a feature of the current version.
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