Appropriate surround hardware for Soundtrack Pro 2

I’m thinking of upgrading to FCS 2 for, among other reasons to create surround mixes on corporate DVDs. Can anyone advise on what sort of hardware I’d need at 'prosumer' level. Would I definitely need a multi-channel card like the M-Audio Revolution 5.1 (http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Revolution51-main.html) or would a speaker setup with internal processing such as the Logitech Z-5500 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakersaudio/home_pcspeakers/devices/224&cl=us,en) be sufficient?
I’m not looking for a high end solution, but good enough to get reasoablly good directional feedback on the mix. Any advice and guidance appreciated, thanks.
Chris

hi
for creating 5.1 you need to have a surround monitoring setup for mixing and then encode your mix to a surround (AC3) file - afaik the m-audio/logitech setup you mentioned are really only for surround playback of encoded audio.
you need an audio interface with 6 outputs, 5 monitors + a sub unit.
then when you are happy with or want to test your 5.1 mix, you encode the mix to a 5.1 file - this is what you burn onto the DVD as the audio track. then you need to test the DVD through a 5.1 speaker setup like the logitech ones or any home theatre setup.
M-Audio do decent gear @ lower budget - Firewire 410, BX-5a Speakers and BX-10 sub is an adequate package for surround work.
my recommendation would be for ...
Muto UltraLite (RME Fireface 400 if you can stretch) + the Blue Sky Media Desk 5.1 speaker system.
this is the best value for quality that I have found - if you can afford them, you should have no regrets!
hope this helps
gavin little
echolab
dublin, ireland
http://www.echo-lab.com/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1962022/

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