Approver for the application role not working out

Hi,
I have created a role with type application and Approver A, then created a business role with the Approver B and included application role into the business role.
When i assign this business role to a user the only request for approval goes to Approver B and after approval the both application and business roles are assigned. Strangely it seem to skip the Approver A. I did even remove the approver in business role, leaving only approver in application role, still same result - it skips Approver A.
I'm using IDM 8.0.0.1, any ideas why it would skip the approver in the included role?
Thanks!

Thanks for the quick reply. I've tried optional with approval and here is what I found.
It seems I need a combination of the two. My end goal is to have a second level approval, one group would be responsible for approving the business role and the system owners would be responsible for approving the nested application roles. When a user requests the business role, they must have approvals for the business role and all of the nested application roles for their request to be completed.
If the app. roles are required, the workflow automatically incorporate the nested appl. roles in the request but does not require approval for them. If they are conditional with approval, the user would have to submit a second request to get all of the nested application roles. It looks like I need a combination of the two, required with approval.
I need it to behave like it does when you have a role with approver that includes resources with an approver. The role and resources must all be approved before the request can be completed successfully.
I'm trying to see if this is possible through the GUI before I customize the workflow.

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