Arabic diacritics positioning in InDesign

How can I position the Arabic diacritic (Kasra) below the character? At the moment the Diacritic automatically positions itself above the character by default, Some Arabic scripts use this particular diacritic below the character.
Is there a way to change this using InDesign without having to manually move each instance of the character using the diacritics positioning panel?
Regards
Saj

Can't say that I've ever noticed this myself. What language is the text marked as? What language is it? What font? If it's script-dependent and the font is well-designed, then you should be able to select the text, change the language, and have the kasra change position. But I thought that kasra positioning was conditional. (I can't read any langage that uses the script, beyond the basi 100 words, for what it's worth.)
Are you keying this yourself? Someone who e.g. knew how to key only the fatha might use it in place of the kasra, for example. I have worked with many translators who were great writers but terrible typists, if you know what I mean, and who used any number of terrible workarounds to account for their lack of facility keying Arabic into their word processors.

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Viele Grüße
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Am 12.12.2014 um 15:18 schrieb jonasdr <[email protected]>:
Arabic and Hebrew features InDesign CC (2014 release) not accessible
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Hi William,
It worked!
Allthough I did not understand that, from the CC panel, I should install the entire app again. Thought this would go through the preferences window, but I noticed that, when changing the App language in the preferences, the app-list in in the panel changes.
Only thing is now: all the preferences and personal workspaces are gone:-(
Adobe realy doesn't make it easy, unless you're into IT, wich i am totally and absolutely not;-)
Antways,
thanks for the usefull info;
Have a great weekend
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