Archive and Install back to Tiger

Hello all!
After about a month of frustration, I think I am ready to take my PowerBook back to Tiger. I see that I can do an Archive and Install from my Tiger Retail. The only problem I see is that the "Preserve Users" setting is grayed out.
So, if I go through this Archive and Install, will I still have access to my old apps (iLife '08, and some third party stuff like Finale), photos, documents, and music?
Thanks for all of your help!
Josh

Here is the latest update:
I am happy (albeit slightly puzzled) to report that I have been running KERNEL PANIC FREE for most of yesterday and today. Here is why I am puzzled: I booted up yesterday and the system seemed to hang. I noticed that the keyboard worked, but not the trackpad. I went and got an old Apple USB mouse. When I plugged it in, it responded. I was able to work all of yesterday afternoon and this morning without incident.
Just for giggles, I unplugged the mouse this morning. I got a KP after about 30 seconds. Here is the report from that KP:
Mon Sep 1 07:30:31 2008
Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x0000000000000578 PC=0x000000000055A6A0
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x46143280)
PC=0x0055A6A0; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000578; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x00D2F7C0; R1=0x2A2C3BA0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x00D74924 0x00D2F7C0 0x00D40E54 0x00D424D8 0x00D429B8 0x00D9F4AC
0x00D35CE4 0x0035A994 0x0003F94C 0x000B05D4
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.driver.AirPortBrcm43xx(314.46.9)@0xd2e000->0xe5afff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IO80211Family(211.1)@0xd0a000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4.1)@0x552000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily(1.6.0)@0xc8e000
com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4.1)@0x552000->0x565fff
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x46143280)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x34f51500)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task
Mac OS version:
9E17
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 9.4.0: Mon Jun 9 19:36:17 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.5.20~1/RELEASE_PPC
System model name: PowerBook6,2
panic(cpu 0 caller 0xFFFF0003): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x0009B498 0x0009BE3C 0x00029DD8 0x000AF210 0x000B2A78
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x46143280)
PC=0x0055A6A0; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000578; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x00D2F7C0; R1=0x2A2C3BA0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x00D74924 0x00D2F7C0 0x00D40E54 0x00D424D8 0x00D429B8 0x00D9F4AC
0x00D35CE4 0x0035A994 0x0003F94C 0x000B05D4
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.driver.AirPortBrcm43xx(314.46.9)@0xd2e000->0xe5afff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IO80211Family(211.1)@0xd0a000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4.1)@0x552000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily(1.6.0)@0xc8e000
com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4.1)@0x552000->0x565fff
Exception state (sv=0x34f51500) P
Not sure why it is working, but I am not complaining either.
Thanks again for your help and insight!
Josh

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maxgraham wrote:
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I had a big problem that actually ended up being a small problem. Unfortunately to try to fix it I did an archive and install. Now I have come to the realization that my Postfix mail setup, my MySQL setup, my PHP setup, my web pages, my Blog are all gone. Now if I go into the "previous system" folder everything seems to be there. Is there a way to just restore the old system to get all that back without having to reconfigure and redo everything?
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You said you did an Archive and Install. You did not say whether this was an upgrade or you were re-installing Tiger.
I suggest you read the article linked above, if you have not already done so, and it will give you an idea of what happened. If you chose to preserve User Settings, it should all be there in your new Library. All you need to do it move over your data and you'll be fine. Otherwise you can just move over your entire Users Folder and it will have everything you need.
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FloydianSlip wrote:
Huh. Hardly seems to be worth "archiving" if you can't go back to the archive.
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I'm a Pro Tools user, who just did an "Archive and Install" installation of 10.5.8 over my 10.4.11 on my 2 Ghz G5, now Pro Tools won't launch. I checked the extensions folder and sure enough, the digidesign extensions were left behind. Can I revert back to the "Archive" of my 10.4.11 System from the "Previous Systems" folder? If not, what's the point of creating the "archive"?

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Archive and Install installation automatically moves existing system files to a folder named Previous System, then installs Mac OS X again. (See tip 3.) You cannot start up your computer using a Previous System folder, nor can you "re-bless" the Previous System folder. (See tip 1.)
You can choose to preserve your user and network settings before installing. This option automatically moves existing users, Home directories, and network settings. This also skips the Setup Assistant after installation.
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http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1710
Read this:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2196
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