Archive & Install on an upgrade machine

I have a MacBook where I chose the upgrade options. It runs slow and is buggy. I have a Mac Pro I did an Archive & Install and Leopard works great. Can I stick the DVD back into my MacBook and do an Archive & Install to get a fresh load?

You should be able to. The archive will be your current system. I archived and installed mine and it runs great. So far haven't found anything I dislike.

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Leopard archive install - migrate from time machine??

I was told to do an archive install by the guys at the genius bar today to fix some really strange lockups. It appears to have fixed my issues but now I'd like to get all my apps / settings back. Is there an easy way to do this via my time machine backup?

if you did an archive and install it should have migrated all your applications and also all your user settings provided you chose that option. are you sure it was an archive and install and not an erase and install? do you have a Previous Systems folder at the top level of your hard drive? you CAN use Migration assistant to migrate your user settings and apps but if you really did an A&I there should be no need.

Time Machine no longer backs up after archive & install

I have just had something mysterious happen to my Macbook - it spontaneously shut down, then wouldn't restart past a gray screen with Apple logo. After trying every troubleshooting page I could find, I ended up doing an archive and (re)install of Leopard on my hard drive. (btw, I ran the Disk Utility hard drive diagnostic, and it said the HD is fine, though I'm skeptical because it's making new noises I've never heard before.)
I finished that install, restarted, everything seemed fine, and I re-connected the external hard drive that had been used for my Time Machine backups before. Now, every time it attempts to back up, it's stuck on "preparing" for 30 minutes, then starts copying SLOWLY and the progress bar says "6 KB of 10 GB." Well, I have a lot more than 10 GB to back up. Then the process halts and I get an error message: "Unable to complete backup. An error occurred while copying files to the backup volume." And I can't get any more specific information about the error - can't find a log file or anything.
I know that there's a troubleshooting article about Time Machine issues with only backing up 10 GB, but mine doesn't even get that far, and besides, this is not my first Time Machine backup - I have no other external drive big enough to transfer my older data to while I reformat this drive as the support article suggests.
I was thinking that perhaps a system setting got messed up somehow and that maybe I should just forget this archive & install thing I did and instead do a fresh erase & install on my Macbook hard drive and then restore from Time Machine's old backup (a day or so before my Macbook started acting weird). But 1. would that make a difference? And 2. if Leopard gives me an error while backing up in Time Machine, what if I do the erase & install and I get an error trying to restore from Time Machine? That would be a nightmare.
My Macbook has always been so reliable - I'm very confused about what's going on! Any help would be appreciated.

Hmm; the external drive had no errors, according to Disk Utility.
Here are the time machine logs from Console:
1/13/08 12:14:47 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.backupd[301]) Exited abnormally: Bus error
1/13/08 1:10:28 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.backupd[430]) Exited abnormally: Bus error
1/13/08 2:21:23 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.backupd[519]) Exited abnormally: Bus error
1/13/08 4:12:57 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.backupd[612]) Exited abnormally: Bus error
1/13/08 5:22:59 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.backupd[818]) Exited abnormally: Bus error
1/13/08 6:24:00 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.backupd[915]) Exited abnormally: Bus error
1/13/08 7:24:52 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.backupd[1012]) Exited abnormally: Bus error
Also, I tried to repair permissions on my internal drive and I got the following error messages:
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/load_hdi" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DiskManagement.framework/Versions/A/Resources /DiskManagementTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DesktopServicesPriv.framework/Versions/A/Reso urces/Locum" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Install.framework/Versions/A/Resources/runner " has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/readconf ig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/writecon fig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/authopen" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/Resources/OwnerGroupTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAg ent" has been modified and will not be repaired.

Migrated Aperture 3 upgrade from old Mac Book Pro to new Mac Book Pro. Can't open Aperture on new machine because I don't have the original serial number for Aperture 2 program originally installed on the old machine. What is the best solution to this s

Migrated Aperture 3 upgrade from old Mac Book Pro to new Mac Book Pro. Can't open Aperture on new machine because I don't have the original serial number for Aperture 2 program originally installed on the old machine. What is the best solution to this situation

Call Apple and make a appointment.
You have 3 months of care and up to 3 years with paid AppleCare, let them handle it and bring everything in.
Good Luck

14 out of 15 MAcbooks installed snow leopard succesfully. One machine keeps spitting out the CD! Why? What can be done to upgrade machine?

Trying to upgrade Os X. 14 out of 15 MacBooks installed succesfully. One machine keeps spitting out the CD! Why? What can be done to upgrade machine?

Sounds like the optical drive may be on it's way out. It should be possible to connect the Mac to one of the others by firewire and do the installation by booting from the install disc in the donor Mac, then choosing the remote HD as the target when prompted.

Stack Underflow and Archive Install fail after 10.4.9 upgrade

After performing the 10.4.9 upgrade on my Black MacBook Core Duo, each of the Microsoft Office Applications (Word, Excel, Entourage, Power Point, and Office Updater and Office Installer) all abort on activation. The System Log indicates a stack underflow:
Mar 24 11:36:38 Arakis /Applications/Microsoft Office 2004/Microsoft Word: CGGStackRestore: gstack underflow.
Attempts to reinstall office fail. Drag and Drop method and Using Office Installer App both fail. The Installer App also aborts with the same error.
After speaking with Microsoft Support and trying their suggestions for removing prefrence files and MS user directory, all fail with the same results. Last Microsoft reccomendation is to perform Archive and Install, and upgrade only to 10.4.8 using combo update.
So I Cloned my boot disk before performing Archive and Install (and it's a good thing too).
I started the Archive and install, and all went well until disk 2, specifically while it was installing iLife demo. When it said two minutes remaining, it froze. Last log entry indicates "specified processes cannot be found". I left it to continue overnight (about 8 hours). It was in the same state in the morning. So I forced a Power down and restarted. It requested disk 1 and began the Archive and Install again, with the same results.
I was able to boot off my external clone and restore my boot disk. I am now back to 10.4.9, and Office apps still abort with stack underflow.
One other point. I have a G4 iMac, A Dual G5 Power Mac, and a G5 Mac Mini, all with 10.4.9 and MS Office, and they all work fine. Problem only seems to be on DualCore MacBook, and only Microsoft Office Apps. MS messenger and MS Remote Desktop Client for MAC work. All other apps (apple and 3rd party) also work OK.
One last thing. After 10.4.9 upgrade, Finder quite often crashes when right clicking or Cotrol-clicking on files or folders in finder windows. Looking at crash dump indicates that this is an unrelated issue, which I will address later, in another rpost.
Are there any suggestions on how to sucessfully perform an archive and Install? Is it possible to disable the install of optional software like iLife demo? Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
Jeff Cameron
DualCore MacBook Mac OS X (10.4.9)

After spending a bit of time, researching this problem, it seems I have been bit by the dyldupdateprebinding bug while updating to 10.4.9. This is outlined in the article located at:
http://www.unsanity.org/archives/macos_x/shock_andawe.php
However I am still unable to repair my problem by performing an Archive and install (possibly because of the dyldupdateprebinding). So if anyone can help me do the Archive & install without installing the iLife demo, or any of the optional software, I would be most appreciative.
Jeff

Trying to create bootable disc with time machine + archive & install

Okay... to recap, have been having a bunch of buggy issues on my Mac Pro and I determined via a previous thread here (see below) that the best approach was to put in a fresh Leopard system via an archive-and-install.
However, my current startup drive is only 80GB, with a mere 4GB currently free. Not enough for A&I, I am sure.
My plan was to do this:
* make a bootable clone copy of the current start up drive
* then do an A&I on the clone, and try using that as the startup.
so I tried - I used superduper to make a bootable clone, and it worked fine, I can start up from the clone.
however, I couldn't do an A&I install on the clone because it didn't have the correct GUID permission.
so, I reformatted the clone - I partitioned it using Disk Util -
now I am running time machine to copy from the current startup to the clone -
but I have a premature feeling that time machine will only create a backup thingie of the startup drive, unlike superDuper, it will not give me a bootable clone that I can then work with.
any suggestions?
if I partition the clone drive & put a GUID partition on it, then user superduper to copy everything on it, would the GUID partition still be there - and I can then archive & install to the clone?
am open for any ideas!
w
Not sure if this is the correct way to reference a previous thread:
<http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2041933&tstart=0>

thank you - here's my question regarding that:
1 - I partition a drive using the GUID scheme.
2 - I then use superDuper to copy everything to this drive.
3 - does the new drive STILL maintain the GUID partition scheme?
Unless it still maintains the GUID partition scheme, then I can't do the archive & install on it - as I found out, the hard way!
alternatively...
if I
1 - use the installer to put a clean copy of leopard on a blank drive
2 - then plan to use the "migration" feature to copy from the original startup drive to the new drive with leopard newly-installed...
3 - is it possible to use the migration feature once I have restarted from a hard drive? or can migration only be used in the actual install process, when I have booted from the install disc?
(I ask this second question because when I boot from the install discs, my SATA drives do NOT show up anywhere, they only get mounted when I boot from a proper hard drive. Possibly a firewire drive would - but I don't seem to have anymore firewire 1394 externals, it's all USB and eSATA...)
W

Upgrade or archive & install?

Im trying to find out which would be the best way to install tiger 10.4.3 from purchased cd or dvd, I have 10.3.9 installed now and everything is fine with my computer now, but im not sure what the upgrade choice saves and dont save. Im thinking archive and install would be better choice from what ive read from other posts, i have a few app like Photoshop CS and a few other apps to save but other than that is pretty basic, im not sure upgrade, saves these apps and network and users settings. Any help with which i should use is appreciated. Thanks

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Hi Gary,
Simple Upgrade saves everything. Your apps, settings, bookmarks...
Archive & Install too, if you check "Preserve Users and Network Settings", but it saves also your complete old system as a non-bootable disk-image, so it offers this additional peace of mind: you'll be able to retrieve your settings and all, from the image, in case you lose something from the new Install.
Enjoy your new Tiger!
Axl

Archive & install or upgrade?

Which are the differences between these two options when i upgrade my mac from panther to tiger?
thanks in advance

Hi Federico_82;
The basic difference between them is that Update just changes the files in the operating system to the new version whereas an Archive & Install copies the old operating system to a folder called Previous System and then creates a new one.
Generally I use Update first. It is quick and easy. I test it. If it works I am finished. If not I restore my backup and do an Archive & Install instead. I test that.
You were planning to do a backup? It is always a good idea to have backup before anything as major as a system update.
Allan

Over the years and upgrading machines, I now have over 20k of emails in the import mailboxes within several folders. How can I archive these in way so the are still available, if necessary, to search, but don't load and slow down my mail app.

Over the years and upgrading machines, I now have over 20k of emails in the import mailboxes within several folders. How can I archive these in way so the are still available, if necessary, to search, but don't load and slow down my mail app.

Ok Thank you.
I wont worry now.
Just maybe dig in deep and delete the deleted mails that are still around and that will hopefully clean it up a bit.
Many thanks for your help and advice.
Regards
Chrispl0

Install CS 2 upgrade on New Machine

Hello! Some years ago, I upgraded from ps 5 to CS2. Recently, our old XP machine finally gave up the ghost. Now I seek to install the CS 2 upgrade on our new Win 7 64 bit machine, but the install program wants me to allow for a search for PS 5 which is of course, not present on this new machine. I have the old serial number but the installation program only offers three radio buttons, each of which assumes I have the old program installed on the new machine ... which I do not as the old XP system crashed a while back. Any help is appreciated! Very respectfully jivajiva on Big Wheeling Creek.

Thanks for your response, Bob. Very respectfully, I still have the question in need of an answer. Also, respectfully, CS 2 may not be supported by Adobe, but it certainly will work on a 64 bit Win 7 machine ... (See http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_programs/windows-7-comp atibility-adobe-photoshop-cs2/6f1b4955-7166-4b8f-ad9b-5d19150f803f )
However, the same problem is here: If the old XP machine with the physical upgrade is gone, and CS 2 is demainding to "see" the former software, even though I have the old key number, there is no way I can see to enter it. Now, of course I'd LOVE to get into CS 5, (even though I am STILL learning all I can do with CS 2) but at this time I just can not afford it. But ... let's say I could afford it ... then again, an upgrade would "seek" (if I may) that prior installation. In other words, this question is here for me now, with my current problem and even if I could afford an upgrade to CS 5, I imagine the same problem woujld be in effect. "Time to upgrade..." is well ... let me just say again ... thank you for answering quickly but I hope for an answer to this question which actually addresses the question. No offense! I am smiling ... I am not trying to be sarcastic or angry. This is an important issue to me.
Thank you again
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Is Time Machine restore better than archive/install?

My OS screwed up the other day on my MBA so I did an archive/install.
I am not so sure it has fixed the problem. Finder still hangs for ages on the boot up cycle.
Would a full restore from my TM be a better option?

An archive and install preserves all your user preferences if on of these is corrupt then this could be causing the problem.
Could you please describe the issue you are having? We may be able to offer more assistance to resolve this with a less lengthy process.

Archive & Install leaves 3rd Party Apps (some with probs)

I've been on the phone with AppleCare two times about this. Here's the bottom line:
I installed Leopard (just the default upgrade) and the 10.5.1 upgrade. All was ok for a while. All programs (including 3rd party) were working. Then I took the laptop in to the Genius bar because I thought I had a battery problem and the system seemed sluggish. They ran Disk Utility from their store server which was NOT running Leopard and repaired permissions on my laptop from there. Then they ran Disk Utility from my computer (Leopard 10.5.1) and sent me on my way since the disk verified ok. Then the problems started:
1. Desktop Wallpaper was discarded and replaced by default
2. Printers disappeared and could not produce PDFs via an Adobe PDF printer
3. A 3rd party wordprocessor (Mellel) would not open existing documents and would not open a new document (no blank page, no error, nothing)
AppleCare instructed me to re-install Leopard with "Archive & Install" but warned that I would have to reinstall (most) third party programs. Trouble is, all my programs remained. The Adobe PDF printer problem was resolved, but the Mellel problem persisted. I called AppleCare again and they were perplexed as to how an Archive & Install could still have all the apps in the regular Application folder (and of course the icons in the dock too). The "Previous Systems" folder from the Archive seemed incomplete to them, so they suggested that the install was compromised somehow and to do another "Archive & Install." The goal would be to have another "Previous System" folder from the archive, and a clean Application folder with no third party software in it.
Well, 3 hours later, I have a re-installed Leopard and I still have all my applications (and of course, Mellel still does not work).
So, any suggestions out there? Are my installation disks messed up or should I go ahead and wipe the disk and start completely from scratch? I've got my library archived and my documents backed up. Anything else I should do if the recommendation is that I wipe it clean?
Karyn

OK, here is the "resolution" of the issue.
1. The issue was finally decided to be the fact that the Genius Bar used a non-Leopard system to do the Permissions Repair on a Leopard system. Apparently, 10.4 and 10.5 handle the repairs differently. Leopard actually also takes much longer. Apple Support (phone) said that 10.4 checks things differently and can alter/repair items that can make them unable to be understood by 10.5. This was the original issue which then led to me not being able to use my third party applications and to losing network settings and printer settings. Then because Apple Support kept having me do an Archive and Install preserving User settings the corrupted information kept perpetuating itself. The solution (unfortunately) was to do an Erase and Install and lose all the user settings. I called the Genius Bar at the retail location where I went last Monday to make sure they were aware of this issue so that other people do not waste as much time as I did this week on computer issues. I am mostly upset because this was a very preventable issue and I didn't need to lose so much work time right before the holidays. The Genius folks should have known better!
2. An option when doing Erase and Install is to migrate a backup from Time Machine. Since I had nothing to lose the Apple Support folks suggested that I use that option, so I tried that. I used a Time Machine backup which was prior to the issue with the Genius Bar. Unbelievably, it seems to have worked. At least I am back to just the issues (sluggishness) that I had when I started going to the Genius Bar.
Thanks for all your ideas and help in narrowing down the issue.

Archive/Install question.

right now i am currentyl running mac os x leopard on my macbook pro. i upgraded from leopard, and have been having small difficulties such as the long blue screen the Admin account going to Standard, and a minor slowness in performance. rather than pitch patch up my system, i'd feel a lot better if i could just start with a fresh copy of leopard. so i want to reinstall leopard using the archive/install method. i have two questions about this method of installation.
1) do i need an external hard drive for this method?
2) what documents will be saved?-what will happen to my music in itunes and my pictures in iphoto(these two are the two most important things to me!)
thanks for any help.
DCM

I tried the upgrade with the install disc first. The install program wasn't able to recognize the MacBook hard drive. No go. Then I tried archive and install and the install program froze while transferring settings and graphic files (iPhoto and iTunes). Because I had to quit the install program due to its freezing, my disc was no longer recognizable as bootable. So i had to start in target mode, connect to my iMac, and do a clean install. Shall we say, "Pain in the ***?"
Now I'm having quirky problems like finding that during a restart command, the application do NOT quit unless I manually make the command. And there are some wi-fi stations that are NOT recognized unless I restart the laptop. And finally, there are some other Finder problems, like trying to open a folder within a window sometimes causes the window to scroll to the top of the file/folder list, which means that I lose, temporary, the sight of the folder that I'm trying to open. Weird **** like that.
Spaces is kind of weird, too. If I'm using Spaces and trying to toggle between two applications, like drag and drop, I'm finding it difficult to follow the switching windows in the course of the operation.
Maybe this means that 10.5.1 is the real OS, and the one I have on my machine is the beta. When Apple announced that they were delaying the final development of Leopard because they were concentrating on the iPhone, they weren't kidding. While Leopard has a great face and is polished in many areas, it's unrefined in others. I would have been wise to wait.

Help with Archive & Install - Office 2008 gone?

I just performed an "Archive & Install" with "Preserve" checkmarked. When I rebooted, my dock had question marks where the Office 2008 icons were (Word, Entourage, etc). Office 2008 is not in the Applications folder anymore. I thought A&I only replaced the system files - and left others (Apps) intact? Could there be some other reason 2008 disappeared? Can I just Restore the Office Folder and Identities from Time Machine? Thanks in advance!

Archive and Install is usually the safe way to go with OS upgrades (and the way I have mostly gone on all my Macs over the years).
As Dimaxum suggests, fist looking for the Office applications on your hard drive.
Personally, I would use either Spotlight (first) or EasyFind (free from DevonTechnologies) to search for "Word", "Entourage", "Office 2008" names. And if you find the main Office 2008 folder, drag it to the new Applications folder.
As well, if you find the Preferences folder for Office and it is not yet in your (new) User/Library/Preferences, then drag that into there as well.
As V.K. suggests, it is always possible to reinstall from your source disk, assuming that you have it.
And the unspoken bit of knowledge here is that Microsoft allows people to initially install MS Office by EITHER drag and drop the folder from CD to your HD Applications folder, OR by running the MS Office installer from the CD. (And they do not tell you which or why to pick one method over the other!)
I have used both ways in the past in different circumstances and personally have not found any noticeable difference in the resulting application.
So if it turns out that you find the app folder and its preference folder, and put them into their new home of Applications and user/library/preferences and that does NOT give you a functioning Office suite, then just fall back to Plan B of either reinstall MS Office from the CD (which is usually fast, but then needs to have all the MS online update patches done) or give a try to your TimeMachine and see if it allows a full restore of JUST the Office apps into the new Leopard Mac.
(re your TimeMachine option, I cannot say for certain, as i have yet no experience with running a TimeMachine restore.)
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