Arctic Silver Placement

The areas circles in red have this soft sponge like heat sink material which I was just going to leave alone. Should I be replacing this with new material ? The "dv8 t 1000 cto" is only 8 months old and the spongy material is still soft and sticky.
I don't think it would be necessary to apply the Arctic Silver directly on this spongy material as I think it would impede the heat transfer in these areas.
I am glad I did go ahead with this procedure as the original compound over the CPU and GPU was applied too heavily and I don't think it was doing the greatest job.
Any advice here would be much appreciated.
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No need to replace the thermal pad, still in good condition. However, the best procedure is to replace it.
Spread the thermal compound evenly on the CPU, GPU and to its heat sink assembly.
Please take extra caution to install it back, make sure it is even.
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For those who have switched to arctic silver w/o changing heatsinks. How much did your temps change?

i just went from stock -> zalman + zalman goop (got 10c drops on load) --> zalman + arctic silver 5 (got 5c less than stock, or 5c more than zalman goop) in an attempt to cure my temp problems. ill see how it is tomorrow :D goodnight, i may go back to zalmy goop ~ im currently at 65 under load. slowly going up to 67 where zalmy went from 60-slowly to 63.
edit, these are mbm5 readings by the way.
And yes, i have read the thread about thermal paste. Yes, i know what a bb is.
zalmy + either goop + 990mhz = 43c though. all time low fer me!~
every time i see tiresmokes mbm5 temps. . . . !!! i want =P
edit; i just had to quote sab. . HAD to.
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you don't want to exSeeD temperature limits!
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when i left, i bought a tangerine clamshell ibook cos i needed a laptop and knew macs just worked.
been promising to junk the unreliable monster in the beige box for ages.
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everything is designed to work with everything else.
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MSI 7900 GTO: improve cooling with Arctic Silver 5?

Would it be useful to improve the cooling of my 7900 GTO with Arctic Silver 5?
If yes, do I need to apply this thermal paste on the main chip only or also on the 6 (or 8?) other chips around the main one?
My 7900 GTO is running at 690/810 MHz. (Riva Tuner)
In 2D-mode the card reaches a temperature of about 38 degrees Celsius, in 3D-mode it reaches temperatures between 45 degrees (older game like Counter Strike: Source) and 60 degrees (newer games like Medal of Honor Airborne or Call of Duty 4).

I owe a 7900 GTX (Similar to the GTO) and it's 44C idle and after some long game session about 67C.
If your never even goes above 60C, don't EVER think about replacing the cooler; It'll only void your warranty. The 7900 GTO can easily bare 70-80 degrees. If it ever gets above 80, I would start worrying. Ofcourse 80 isn't damaging anything yet, but it could lower the life of your graphics card!
60°C is actually really low for a high-end graphics card, under full-load You even overclocked it, and still it's only 60°C!

Arctic Silver not working???

So...after I had to rip off AMD's thermal superglue to check what was written on my CPU (this was before I actually got the thing working. Re:here) I removed the AMD stuff and had to put some cheap paste I had lying around on it... got temps of 38*C idle with CnQ on, so CPU was at 1Ghz and full load at 2.4Ghz peaked at 59*C, which was with stock HSF.
Bought myself some arcticlean and arctic silver 5, did everything per their instructions and got 15*C Idle and 34*C under load on the first test (3Dmark, games, CPU Burn etc) then I left computer off all day, just came back now and the temps are nearly back to before - 38*C idle, 56*C load! - ???
Is this supposed to happen or what?

15*C Idle and 34*C under load are likely as not bogus readings unless you left your computer out in the artic chill. Typical temps for the A64 series chips are in the 40c to 60c region. Afterall you do have a lot of heat with 300 million transistors to disapate. LOL
The first set of temps are within reason and are pretty darn normal especially if you have a small cramped case with air cooling. Nothing to worry about there. Artic Silver 5 if applied correctly as per their instructions can lower the temps a couple degrees Celcious. However it is not a huge difference over what AMD uses.
Clawhammers like you have are one of the Hotter A64 chips. The newer Socket 939 based 90NM chips are somewhat cooler by as many as 10 degrees Celcious but can also under extreme load reach close to what a Clawhammer normally sits at.
So yes that 15C and 38C at full load are pretty much bogus unless of course you use alternative cooling and even then darn good cooling at that.

Arctic Silver between the sensor and the bottom of the CPU

"Temp sensor inside the Socket is flat, it offer some resistance, applying some Arctic Silver between the sensor and the bottom of the CPU will increase accuracy of the obtained temperatures."
I read this information at http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=2&artpage=879&articID=216
Is it correct?

dont forget, the bottom of your processor is also full of resistors. Flooding them in *CONDUCTIVE* grease maybe more than what you are asking for.
The Temp sensor in the socket is usually correct enough for static temperatures, but suck to track quick changes.
Moreover, the embedded sensor is here for a reason

Arctic Silver Ceramique and Volcano 11 + Xaser Edition heatsink questions

Hi - I appreciate your help on my other threads concerning my motherboard K7N2 Delta 2 - LSR and my PS/2 keyboard problems.
Arctic Silver Ceramique and the Arctic Silver cleaning solutions should be arriving in a couple of days. I got the replacement K7N2 Delta 2 - LSR motherboard a few days ago. It looks great, but looks are not everything.
The seller also included a Thermaltake VOLCANO 11 + Xaser Edition heatsink. It's massive.
Here's some info:
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/coolers/volcano/rs/a1607.htm
Question 1 - Should I bother to install the sensor under the CPU (AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (Barton Core)? It seems like it could cause trouble.
The heatsink also has a dial to control the fan speed. It is mounted on the back of the case. That's easy to install.
Now to the Arctic Silver Ceramique:
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm
Previously, I've used the thermal pads or Arctic Silver 5. When using Arctic Silver 5, I've always spread it over the full surface of the CPU.
The Ceramique instructions say it should be applied like this:
This gives me the jitters. (I have the 32 bit Athlon on the left.)
Question 2: Is this how you personally apply Ceramique?
Question 3: Will it be OK to spread it like Arctic Silver 5?
Thanks
Joe

I go with Wonkanoby.
If you don't put on too much you can use a single drop, and then have the pressure of the seating spreading the paste. Your "old" method is usually better.
The fan may be temp. controlled. If BIOS doesn't pick up the temp. and fan speed and can control it you should add the sensor. I don't know if BIOS will, so if you are worried about noise and such you better check the Internet for someone with personal experience of Volcano.
A bit off: Thermaltake has never ever made good heatsinks, so your dealer must be very relieved now. Spire makes the best for motherboards that don't have the holes around the processor socket.

Arctic silver 5 how to apply pics and specs on temps

found this for anyone who dont know how to apply thermal paste, some good pics and lower temps using silver 5
http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/cooling/arctic_silver5/
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Quote from: Frankenputer on 20-December-05, 21:17:25
ArcticSilver's own website has instructions for both types of CPUs and they are excellent guides.
yes but they give another site links like above...
http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm

Arctic Silver

I am looking for some Artic Silver (5? depending on what is avaliable) for my CPU. I checked out Maplins in Catford/Forest Hill but they didn't have any.
Where in England can I buy the stuff (pref in the shop, altough mail order is also fine

Try to buy from either:
http://www.dabs.com
OR
http://www.simply.co.uk
OR
http://www.tekheads.co.uk
OR
http://www.microdirect.co.uk

Arctic Silver/Ceramique/Zalman HP and a lap dance

I did a comparison of ArcticSilver 3 and cerimique, found no real difference.
You need to spread the stuff on real thin. With stock cooling on my 5900U I was at around 70c. Put on cerimique went down to around 64cGPU/44c ambient.That wasn't enough so I got the zalman HP with fan,takes alittle setting up, went down to 53c GPU/33 amb. And that still wasn't enough! Being that I'm not totally nuts I decided against popping off the heatspreader, But the top of the HeatSpreader isn't flat, so I did what any self respecting person would do and taped off the GPU and lapped away and didn't stop till I saw copper That brought the temps down to 49c GPU/32c amb
All temps were 24c outside the box
Taken after 30 mins of running DX9 Real-Time High-Dynamic Range Image-Based Lighting
http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/
960 MHz Memory
524 MHz GPU core
Gotta recommend the Cerimique due to it not being conductive
Not sure if H2o cooling would do much better?
All those in favor of popping the lid...

Yea thats a nice OC shame its nvidia I have one of them Zalman Silent heatpipe coolers with a 80mm fan on it

I need help with ammount of Artic Silver Paste

Hello I am new to you all and came from a link that was posted on the EVGA website forum of theres any ways I was hoping some could tell me how much paste do I put on the Pentium chip do I only use a small amount or do I cover the entire silver area of the chip with a slim coat so I don't sqush it all over the MB or do I just put enough on it to make contact with the heatsink I was just curious cause on the AMD you cover the entire diode so I assume that you would picture the edzack same ammount on the Pentium chip imagining a diode there hehe..... )

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Originally posted by RLemmon
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Originally posted by Assaf
The silver based arctic silver is conductive, but you can use this which is better than the generic white stuff and pretty much as good as arctic silverIII.
The boxed CPU comes with a thermal pad pre applyed to the heatsink so you don't have to get any compound unless you want the better cooling or want to be sure you can remove and then place back the heatsink if you ever need to.
If you do use some compound remove the pad from the heatsink and clean off the leftovers of the pad with alcohol or acetone.
Why does it say non-conductive on there website then ??? Im Lost I heard if like the stuff metal in the air gets in it it could cause a short but I dalt that hehe:(
Hi there again I see now Arctic Silver II is the first premium silver silver is always conductive hehe so I want somthin that has no silver huh thanx for the info budd I apreesheate that and I will go with your link you gave me and tahnx again budd You sure are smart and know the stuff to get thanx again.

CPU Thermals...and Artic Silver 5

I have heard many users throughout these forums and other mac places of discussion taking the heatsick off and using new thermal paste to improve heat transfer.
I was thinking about putting Arctic Silver 5 on there when I recieve my MacBook.
What do y'all think and what have you done to combat the heat issues?

Here's some food for thought
macdevcenter
The conclusion of the article, he only saw a couple of degrees lower from adding Artic Silver 5. Not worth the pain and risk of making your Macbook a brick. While the article is focused on the MacBook pro, I think the lessons taken away from this are directly applicable.
My MB has had temps around 60c after about an hour of normal use. If I push it harder by running some memory intensive apps the temp can go beyond 75c
While its warmer then I'd prefer from it seems to be "normal" by apple
Apple KB
For me, the risk of ruining my laptop looms too large, the warranty will be voided and the result may be marginal at best.
Finally since I've never applied this stuff, why would I think I could do it better then Apple.
Mike

Need clarification on exact size/amount of Artic Silver to apply on AMD64 3000+

I am installing the OEM HSF on my AMD64 3000+ winchester CPU using Artic Silver and I need a bit of clarification about the size/amount of the Artic Silver blob that I need to put on the CPU heat spreader.
EDIT - I'm reading the Artic Silver instructions right now from the website:
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Only a small amount of Arctic Silver is needed
P4- About the size of an uncooked grain of short-grain white rice or 2/3 of a BB.
Athlon64- About the size of one and a half uncooked grains of short-grain white rice or 3/4 of a BB.
Could someone give me a diameter in millimetres (mm) or something? I'll go look for some rice in the house, but anyways......lol... :P
For clarification, I want to be sure I put the proper amount of AS on the heat spreader. I don't really know how big a BB is exactly. Is a BB a ball bearing or a "BB" used in bb guns? I'm guessing the size I should use is around 3 or 4 mm? Could someone clarify this for me before I go ahead?
How much AS should I apply to the heat spreader? How big should the round blob of AS be?
thanx,

Ok, but using a peice of paper may introduce dust, lint or paper particles. They don't even say to spread the AS compound around at all, they just say:
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9. On an Intel P4 or Athlon64 type CPU with a large metal heat spreader, put a small amount of Arctic Silver onto the center of the heat spreader as shown in the photo.
Only a small amount of Arctic Silver is needed
P4- About the size of an uncooked grain of short-grain white rice or 2/3 of a BB.
Athlon64- About the size of one and a half uncooked grains of short-grain white rice or 3/4 of a BB.
10. RECHECK to make sure no foreign contaminants are present on either the bottom of the heatsink or the top of the CPU core. Mount the heatsink on the CPU per the heatsink's instructions. Be sure to lower the heatsink straight down onto the CPU.
Once the heatsink is properly mounted, grasp the heatsink and very gently twist it slightly clockwise and counterclockwise one time each if possible. (Just one or two degrees or so.)
Please note that some heatsinks cannot be twisted once mounted.
Our testing has shown that this method minimizes the possibility of air bubbles and voids in the thermal interface between the heat spreader and the heatsink. Since the vast majority of the heat from the core travels directly through the heat spreader, it is more important to have a good interface directly above the actual CPU core than it is to have the heat spreader covered with compound from corner to corner.
So they say to put a little tiny blob on there and just attach the heatsink right on there. I am guessing that the attaching of the heatsink does the work of spreading the compound and avoids voids..lol..if you excuse the pun.

Artic silver 5 reviews thread

well i can only find one in german so far
but the numbers you can all understand
the best just got better and the new stuff i understand does not conduct juice as well
http://www.dirkvader.de/frame.php?site=http://dirkvader.de/page/arcticsilver5.html
found more
http://www.overklokking.no/annet/arctic_silver_5/eindex.html

Inside Project.com has a review on 10 differant compounds including Arctic silver and my favorite Shin-EtsuG-751 .

Artic silver 5 for noobs (AMD 3400+ newcastle)

Hi everyone,
I just wanted to share my experience with other noobs to arctic silver 5. This was my first time messing with thermal paste. My system is is listed below. I was using the stock HSF and thermal paste since I bought the retail version. CoolnQuiet disabled.
The first time I applied, I followed the directions from arctic cooling's website: "3/4 of a grain of uncooked a rice and lower the heatsink into it." After doing that, my idle/full load temperatures went up! I let it run for roughly the ~ 200 hours they recommend, but still, they were higher. Something was wrong.
So I pull the HSF out and turns the paste was rather thick and covering roughly a circle with 1.7cm in diameter. Not optimal, but not horrible either. So I cleaned it up and replied it. I put multiple small drops through the surface and smoothed it out with a credit card after each drop. Now it covers roughly 90% of the surface and my temperatures are much better! So if you temps don't drop as much as you thought they would, re-do the whole thing. :-) I wish I had my digi cam with me so I could share what it looked like...
I know these are not great temps compared to others I've seen here, but they are much better for me:
For all measures, i had BIOS 1.40, measured after warm boot. I don't know the room temperature, but to give you an idea my HDs report 29C and there's a 120mm fan blowing at them.
stock HSF & paste:
idlle: 49C
full load: 63C
first try with AS5 and stock HSF
idle: 50C
full load: 61C
second try with AS5 and stock HSF
idle: 44C
full load: 57C
That's it. :-)
What kind of temperatures you guys with an AMD 3400+ newcastle get?

Quote from: Tiresmoke on 04-April-05, 23:29:31
AS5 needs a few days to settle into it's job as well. Over the course of the first few days it will actually start to drop temps more. So if you did this all in the same day you may want to check it in a week and see how it looks.
Nope, that was over a long amount of time. stock settings was when I first got the computer and I used it for a few months. first try of AS5 was a few days, as mentioned, then the latest is what I have now. Good point, so now it's clear to everyone.

Reseated the heat sink using artic silver 3

and my temperatures remain the same as before, using the thermaltake thermal compound.
on arctic silver's website though. it did say that it would take 200 hours to get settled and that in 200 hours it would drop 2-5 degrees

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Originally posted by cwigster
Seriouly though, despite the heat spreaders and increased surface area you do still need some thermal paste dont you?
You *ALWAYS* need a slurry of fine, thermally conductive particles in a neutral liquid at an interface across which you want efficient thermal transfer.
A *VERY* thin layer of paste! You do not want to create a boundary between the two objects, just enough material to be forced into the microscopic (sic) gaps between the two surfaces in accordance with the fluid exclusion principle.
Arctic silver is good quality, well mixed product; but for most PC applications, you wont see a significant improvement over silicate based pastes unless you look on the scale of weeks of uptime. Its major advantage is that it is the only "brand name" thermal paste for hobbyists which is produced at a consistent quality level (very small particle size, low tendency to agglomerate or "clump" which will impair efficiency). Dont expect to see the "2-5" degree improvements they advertise, unless you are using a well ventilated case in a very cold environment. If the ambient temperature in your case is >30ºC, then you wont see massive improvements in stability. However, good quality thermal paste will stand you in very good stead when you approach 50ºC ambient temperature in the case, as at this point the thermal resistance of the boundary becomes very important again.
I have noted before, that I personally use an optical polishing slurry of aluminium oxide with carbon fines added as a heat transfer agent; I apply this in a very thin layer with a soft rubber spatula. The addition of a heat spreader means the new HSF for the Athlon64 is much higher force than older chips and, hence, many myths relating to heat transfer can be dispelled as the actual thermal conductivity of the paste is not as important as the size of its particles now... very small particles of a low thermal conductivity material will actually create a greater effect than larger particles of high thermal conductivity since contact forces with the new HSF design are much closer to ideal.
err!
jak

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