Are edits in DNG files considered metadata

I just experienced an unusual occurrance. I am using lightroom 5.2 on windows 7. I have been using lightroom since the original beta.
I just finished hours of editing DNG files. I selected all the thumbnails and dragged them to a collection. I noticed that after dragging them down that all the thumbnails showed the icon that there was a conflict in metadata. I selected all the thumbnails and reset the metadata. I lost all my edits.
Unfortunately, I had not yet saved a new catelog.
Is there any way to recover my edits?
Jim :-(

James Palik wrote:
I exited LR without backing up thinking that I wanted to restore my catelog from yesterday without realizing that there was a history file.
All that history info is stored in the catalog, it's not a separate file.
James Palik wrote:
Needless to say, I just finished redoing my edits. Nothing lost but about four hours - so not that bad.
Who among us hasn't experienced that, at least once? But saving xmp between catalog backups can be your saving grace - regardless of file format.
James Palik wrote:
It was my understanding that one of the advantages of converting to DNG is that you no longer needed to depend on the XMP sidecar.
No, no, no, ... - xmp may be embedded or it may be in a separate sidecar file, but you need to save it if you want it saved. I prefer to control that, i.e. I only save (manually) when I have an "edit milestone", the other option is to enable auto-save in catalog settings (Lr preferences), but then it saves your negative mistakes as well as your posititive milestones...
James Palik wrote:
I knew that the data was written into the DNG
To be clear, it's written into whatever file you've edited (DNG, jpeg, raw, ... ) when metadata is saved, and not if metadata is not saved.. The only difference in raw and the other file types is whether it's embedded or contained in a separate "sidecar" file.
James Palik wrote:
Is it my understanding that the when the catelog is backed up that it also has a backup of the meta data that I inadvertantly deleted.
No, really: not. Your catalog backup is just the active catalog, backed up - nothing extra...
James Palik wrote:
I really need to understand the catelog and its contents better.
One way: Get an app like SQLSpy and open the catalog and inspect each table. Much will look like gobble-de-guk, but much of the data is recognizable as what you see in Lr UI. I realize this may not be appropriate for all persons, still... (I'm not aware of any "what exactly is in the catalog" document for non-techy types - maybe somebody else will have a good reference..).
Likewise, you can load xmp sidecar files into a text editor to see exactly what is there, and what is not, if you want to.
Rob

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