Are snapshots required to save develop settings to XMP?

Here's the scenario: I typically make my changes in post-processing such as contrast, exposure etc, in the develop settings. When I'm done, I create a snapshot called "done". I do this because I fear that without creating a snapshot, the develop settings might not be written into the XMP, so that if I ever have to recover those settings, (say if I transfer a photo to my laptop, and the corresponding XMP file), they'd be gone without a snapshot. Anyone know if this is true?

The way Lightroom works, your develop settings are saved to the database. Every time in the future that you return to a photo and go into Develop Module, your settings are there for you to see (and change). Your develop history and metadata is also there. You do not have to turn on any options in Lightroom for this to happen, it is automatic, and cannot be turned off.
Thus, there is no need to write your develop settings to xmp. You can if you want to, but this does not happen automatically. You can Ctrl-S to save your metadata (including develop settings) to the xmp. You can turn it on so writing the edit settings and other metadata happens automatically (Edit->Catalog Settings->Metadata, check Automatically Write Settings to XMP) When you save to XMP, your final edit settings are saved, but not the history of steps that you followed to arrive at the final edited position. The primary reason you would save to XMP is so that your metadata and edits can be read by other applications; however there are only a few programs that can read and interpret your edits that are stored in XMP (Lightroom, Photoshop, Photoshop Elements and Bridge); many other programs can read the metadata (like keywords and captions). If you are not interested in communicating with other programs, there is no need at all to save your metadata and edits to XMP.
Creating a snapshot does not cause anything to be written to XMP, and in fact if you choose to write your data to XMP, you do not need a snapshot to save your develop settings. Everything gets written without a snapshot, if you choose to write to XMP, and everything gets saved to the database without a snapshot being created.
In general, you do not need snapshots for the purpose you are using them for. Snapshots are an optional way of saving conditions along the way to your final edit.
Please read The Lightroom Starter Kit to learn more about how Lightroom operates, as quite honestly, you seem confused about how Lightroom works.

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>Frankly, I don't quite understand what's going on.
Neither do I. x.x
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first off some background, that I would appreciate corrections on, if I understood something wrong.
a) Lightroom saves the settings it will apply to files in the database, but if the catagog option "Automatically write changes into XMP" is checked, LR will create a XMP file all files in which it stores the develop settings.
b) This setting applys to all files (raw, DNG, JPG, TIFF, PSD) unless the setting "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files", in which case XMP files are not created for the named file-types, where the develop settings are saved into the metadata of the file itsself.
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inforumman,
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b) The wording "saving the XMP" is a bit misleading, insofar as an XMP-file will be created only in case of Raw files, whereas with TIFFs, JPGs, PSDs the metadata (edits or other metadata) is written into (the header of) the image file - but NOT into the image pixels.
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