Are the Nehalem Mac Pros shipping?

Hi.
Are the new Nehalem Mac Pros shipping? I don't see any signs, reviews.
Did anybody get theirs?
W.W.
(I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question?)

Hi W.W.;
http://www.barefeats.com/nehal04.html
http://www.barefeats.com/nehal03.html
http://www.barefeats.com/nehal02.html
http://www.barefeats.com/nehal01.html
Allan

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hi Everyone,
No questions today; just comments.
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Two, the storage write performance surprised me too but I'm not upset about it, the numbers for both are still very high, and I'm wondering what software and hardware changes in the future might do about that.
Three, I guess machines and sensitivities differ, but my Mac is virtually silent. The only thing I hear is the fans on the video card when I start up and that goes away in seconds. The noisy ATI card reputation is not being lived up to in this case.
After just shelling out thousands for an 08 Mac Pro I can understand your reasons for not spending thousands more on an 09 model. But overall by most tests I've seen the 09's smoke your machine, and I believe they were not just produced for their capabilities now, but for what's coming in the future.
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Message was edited by: martyn pot2

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I'm excited!!
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"For an extra $200 the 5870 is a no brainer." I agree on a pure cost basis that it's not a hard decision. But I have a very quiet environment, and I understand this card can make a lot of noise. To pay money, end up with a louder machine, and on top of that realize no significant benefit would be a minor disaster.
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