Arrange Window Editing Questions

I've been working on a recording for a few months now and I'm at the point of doing the vocal recording and comps. This means I'm at a point that involves a lot of editing, copying, pasting and moving. There are a few problems I've run up against that I assume there are easy ways of avoiding.
First, when copying a section of a take, say a vocal for a chorus, and pasting it later in the song, I find when I trim the length of the pasted section it changes the placement of the original. Is there a way to avoid this without making the pasted segment a totally new audio file?
The second problem occurs when I have a segment of a song comp'd, say the first verse, and I'm putting together a section later in the song, like the second verse. If I try to trim an edit but I've accidently selected everything on the track it trims every file. This only happens when I'm moving quickly and haven't noticed what I've selected but it really is a pain in the *** when I have to go back a fix everything earlier in the song. Quite a time waster. I just don't see the point of that feature and wonder if it's possible to turn it off.
Lastly, when using a comp of many vocal takes put together, is there a way to delete the unused portions of a take from your drive, maybe with some short handles? I know in video using FCP you can do this sort of thing with the Media Manager. I'd like to be able to delete unused media, without having to make the comp's into one complete audio file. This way I can change my edits or crossfades at a later time.
I hope this is all clear and thanks in advance for an answers I get.
PowerBook 1.5 Mac OS X (10.4.6)

1.
Regions to new regions - what you have are regions which alias ech other. This can be good, in your case it is not. Use opt+drag to create new in the same edit.
2.
cmnd+z
Use addiional tracks or folders - tracks with different phases of the comp. Also, utilise locking
Lastly.
Optimize audio files ( usually, you will remove unused regions from your session first )
J

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My problem is the graphs of my audio recordings in the arrange window are so small it makes accurate editing very difficult.

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Try the waveform zoom slider. Recording louder just to get a better visible waveform would be, well, silly.
From the manual: (click on links to see pics)
To change the zoom level using the Waveform Zoom button
Click-hold the Waveform Zoom button. A slider appears.
http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/usermanual/Art/S01/S0185_WaveZoom.png
Drag the slider. As you do, the waveform shown in all audio regions, and in the Beat Mapping track, is increased or decreased in size.
http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/usermanual/Art/S09/S0931_CUS_Waveform Zoom2.png
Note: This is a purely visual function. The amplitude (level) of the waveform is not affected.
it's here (scroll 3/4 down):
http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=4%26sec tion=6%26tasks=true

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I am currently using Logic pro 9 and when I play the orchestral midi loops in the loop window they sound really lush. When I drag them into the arrnage window they sound really dull. I think I have changed a master setting somewhere along the line but don't know how to restore it.
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Sorry to say, this isn't a bug — it's a feature!
You've just described exactly how they're supposed to work.
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+When Software Instrument Apple Loops are placed on instrument tracks, the region shown in the Arrange area can be edited just like other MIDI regions, including individual note editing.+
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I've imported a project from LP9 and noticed that there is no Stereo output fader in the arrange window in LPX, it was there in LP9..
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I've imported a project from LP9 and noticed that there is no Stereo output fader in the arrange window in LPX, it was there in LP9..
So I create a "new" audio track and LPX generated Ch 81 (my mixer has 80 channels). I selected "reassign track" to "Output Stereo -->Output 1-2" but I needed to toggle the automation button to see the automation already on that track (from my LP9 session).
When I go to the environment to delete the redundant Ch 81, the Stereo output fader / track in the arrange window disappears again.
I repeat the process, and this time I leave Ch 81 intact and save the session. When I reload the session, the stereo output fader is GONE. The automation still works but I cannot edit or see it...
Why does Logic X not display the output fader assigned in the mixer?

Mono files displayed as stereo in arrange window

Hi there everyone. This is my first post and thanks to all the help from all your other posts. here's my question:
I did a recording in ProTools of a Jazz Combo with a Decca Tree and three spot mics. Normally I just load the files from the ProTools "audiofiles" folder into Logic and all is great but on this session Logic is reading the center and right Decca tracks as stereo files. They are not stereo, but mono and Quicktime-Get Info: says they are mono as does clicking on them and selecting "Get Info". Why would they appear as stereo files? They are showing up in the Mixer window as mono channel strips and in the Arrange window and the Audio Window they are listed as stereo. When panning the three Decca tree tracks Left, Center and Right I get a totally mono signal according to the Helper Plugin inserted on the Master Out bus. The file names are also not being copied to the track names properly. Any help would be wonderful as I need to get this mix done ASAP.
Thanks:)
Powerbook 15" Mac OS X (10.4.10) 1.5 gig ram, Presonus Firebox
Powerbook 15" Mac OS X (10.4.10) 1.5 gig ram, Presonus Firebox

Once you have dragged the files into the arrange page, look at the channel strip for that track and make sure that the button at the button is toggled to mono. Each track in arrange can handle a stereo or mono file. The LED type thing which shows the level toggles between mono look ... and stereo look.

Any harm in having over 1000 midi tracks in the arrange window?

The way i like to work is...
to load up like 20 instances of a software sampler, (16 channels on each) and then create tracks for every midi channel in the arrange window. That way, when i'm writing, i can simply switch tracks to play different midi sounds.
Last night I spent hours creating all the tracks, but after I reached 1000, it just says "???" in the track number area. I was still able to create the tracks though, and everything seemed fine.
I should mention that I'm still waiting for the Intel Machfive version, so i can't test it yet.
So my question is, is there a problem for me to have so many tracks in the arrange window?

oh, and one more thing. it said "???" in the arrange window, but it showed the track number in the mixer. This is a good sign, right?

How to Collapse Tracks in Arrange Window?

I've been searching this and some other forums, and have a feeling I'm outta luck, but figured I should post a question here before writing up another Feature Request...
Separate from the Hide Track function (which isn't quite what I'm wanting), and separate from creating region-based Folders (which I've only just begun to explore), is there no way to simply designate groups of Tracks in the Arrange window, and then be able to collapse or reveal that particular group with a single click -- in the same way that a folder's contents can be collapsed or revealed in Finder list view?
I'm currently building a Logic project which draws on bits and pieces from 3-4 dozen .aif files, each of which I'm dragging onto a separate Track, and then on each Track am splitting the content into multiple Regions. I'm using color-coding of those individual Regions, along with text labelling, to help distinguish between different kinds of content. I'll then be copying specific Regions down to new Tracks, from which several different composite versions of the material will be outputted.
All this means I'm going to end up with a LOT of Tracks, and it would be a huge organizational help if I could easily collapse/reveal different groups of Tracks at different times, so I was only having to see and scroll through the relevant ones.
But am I correct in understanding that while some of Logic's competitors have this kind of feature, Logic itself -- astoundingly -- does not???
Bracing myself for the bad news,
John Bertram
Toronto

Bee Jay wrote:
The nearest you can do is pack the tracks into a folder, and delete the source tracks, you you end up with only one folder track in the top level, and you can go "into" the folder to see the tracks and contents of it, and come back out again.
I didn't realize there was the option to delete the source tracks but retain the Folder -- perhaps I'll explore that.
But am I correct in understanding that while some of Logic's competitors have this
kind of feature, Logic itself -- astoundingly -- does not???
Well, not every piece of software has every feature imaginable - and this hasn't stopped people making music with Logic.
In order to implement this, you'd probably have to introduce some kind of track group which would be similar to region folders ("track folders") in order to group like tracks and therefore fold and unfold the track folders' contents - but this might start to get confusing to have two different, but similar functions in the arrange page.
I admit, "astounding" was just me venting. But the hypothetical implementation you describe is exactly what I was hoping to find. As for potential confusion, perhaps they'd need to avoid the word "folder", and call them "track groups", or something like that. But I think it would be an extremely useful organizational tool for those projects where your Tracks start numbering in the several dozens. (Plus it would allow the user to re-position a whole group of Tracks in one move, rather than having to select, drag, and position each Track one at a time.)
Sounds like Feedback Time, once again ('guess it beats doing actual work!).
Thanks very much for the well-considered reply.
jb

Viewing stereo tracks in arrange window?

Hello. I created an interleaved stereo audio file. But the track looks graphically like it's mono in the arrange window. Is there a way to have a graphical representation that it is a stereo file (like in Live, Pro Tools, Studio Vision, etc...)? (If I double click on the track, the file editor shows that it's stereo, but I want to see this in the arrange window.)
It's got to be possible, right?
A

no it's not possible or even generally desirable.
at least in PT, files are split stereo only. they are actually 2 mono files linked together. interleaved works differently. for editing, combined view of both sides as one waveform is actually better for editing unless you need to edit one side of the stereo file. in this case you will need to convert it to split stereo.
the interleaved stereo file you see will show sidedness by projecting the channels either side of the mid point which is more than adequate generally. why would you need it to be different from that?

Creating Apple loops within the arrange window

I have tried this before and had the same result again and again.
I have a stereo recording of a drum kit at 120 bpm which I have chopped to a 2 bar cycle and want to turn it into an apple loop. to fit it into the song I am working on which is at 100 bpm.
I select "add to apple loops library" from the Region drop down menu in the arrange window. the apple loops genre selection window opens which adds it to the apple loops browser. easy!
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with an extra note to my comment above
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File appears different in arrange window and sample editor

I received a few AIFF files from someone Im working with: 24 bit, 44.1, same as I use. However, although they show up fine in the sample editor, in the arrange window they look clipped, as if they've been recorded too loud. This is making them very hard to edit. I've tried refreshing the overview in the sample editor, but with no success. Has anyone got any tips?

Does the file appear distorted visually, or does it also sound distorted?
In arrange, between the *Horizontal Zoom Slider* and the *Horizontal scroll arrows* you'll see a Waveform button with which you can adjust how "fat" the waveform is displayed. Clicking toggles it between the last setting and fully zoomed out. Clickhold to let the slider pop up.
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How to find a region in the Arrange Window

I'm trying to find two audio files that are apparently in regions in my arrange window on Logic 9. I can see them in my Audio Bin but I have no idea where to find them in my Arrange Window. I don't know if they're wedged in between or underneath a hundreds of other regions (yes I have that many regions).
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Q1: Why can't you just find the regions you're looking for manually?
A1: Because I have too many regions in my Arrange Window.
Q2: Why do you have so many regions?
A2: Because that's how I work. The number of regions I have shouldn't be related to the efficiency of looking for specific regions.

You could check if the regions may exist inside a take folder, a normal folder, or press H to see if you have any hidden tracks.
But if you are brave enough to try to soft-delete all the other regions from the Bin, it should be easy to find the two remaing ones in the Arrange window, unless you also have a lot of MIDI regions. What happens if you select all the regions in the Audio Bin (Command-A), Shift-click on the two regions you talk about to deselect them, and then (temp.) delete all the regions in the bin? You can Undo this afterwards, but NB: remember to select "Keep" (and "for all") if you are asked whether you also want to delete the recordings from the hard disc itself.
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"Play from Selection": press Shift and Enter.

Hyper Edit Question

Hi All,
I think I already know the answer but I'll ask anyway. Can I use the Hyper Editor to edit drums in different regions on the same track or does the Event Definition apply to the entire track? It seems like I can only have a massive single region on the drum track. I think it would be better if I could use it to edit data in individual regions.
Thanks and regards
David

G'Day!!!!!
I just noticed that the Hyper Editor follows the region selected in the main arrange window so although it does use one long stream of data in the hyper edit window, it lets me do all the stuff I need to with my individual midi regions in arrange. Panic over (just discovered how easy it is to use HE to create drum patterns).
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Thanks and regards
David

My Audio waveform doesn´t show up graphically in the arrange window

I´m just starting up new songs with a friend and I can not edit the audio files in the arrange window because the auido file appears like a straight line. The sound is fine, and during recording the audio is shown nicely graphically until I hit the stop button. Then the nicely graphically represented audio turns into a straight line. This phenomenon happened when I run the RME Babyface. Anyone have a suggestion how to solve this?

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1. Is there anything I can do NOW to get this first set of videos edited / produced on my current laptop?   I would be happy to import as lower quality if necessary.
There are several threads on AVCHD conversion. Unfortunately, I do not recall the conversion utilities recommended. Not shooting AVCHD, I have to admit that I am personally clueless to what programs work, and how well. Others can likely help you there.
2. What configuration wish list can you recommend for either a Dell laptop or desktop?   I will be editing ~40 horse sale videos per month and posting them to YouTube or producing DVDs to mail to prospective buyers.
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In Logic X, the mouse click wheel scroll is way too fast on the arrange window and the piano roll. Is there a way to adjust this?

In Logic X, the mouse click wheel scroll is way too fast on the arrange window and the piano roll. Is there a way to adjust this? This is the way I scrolled for MIDI editing on Logic 9

Hi cris2121, assuming you're using a mouse from apple, go to >System Preferences<
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