Artist sort order and TSOP tags

Can someone please help me understand how tagging and sort orders behave on an iPhone in advance of my buying one.
I like to browse my music library by artist and, for example, I prefer to have "David Bowie" sort under "B" rather than "D". I believe that the spec for ID3v2.4 tags added the TSOP (Text Sort Order Performer) to over-ride the sorting order. Does the software on the iPhone take notice of the TSOP (or any alternative) tags when browsing by artist so that I can sort in the way I want?
- Julian

Sort order can either be set in iTunes or, if tagging using other programs before importing into iTunes, then the correct tags names to add are "Sort Artist" and "Sort Album" which will then be recognised by iTunes.

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Hi.
I have music sync'd via iTunes Match from my laptop to my iPad and to my iPhone. The names and order appear correct on both the laptop and on the iPad but on the iPhone several artists are either shown in all lower case or the last name will be used by the sort, rather than the first.
I've reset the artist, album artist and sort artist tags to different names (and they show up correctly then on the iPhone) and then set them back, but the problem remains.
I'm thinking that the iPhone has a corrupt file somewhere - but how can I reset that without losing everything on the phone?
A factory reset and restore from iCloud results in the same problem.
Any ideas?
Thanks guys.
--Cynan.

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AA)
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s there a official document / specification from apple
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Message was edited by: PECourtejoie

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PC: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Utilities
MAC: <hard drive>/Applications/Utilities/Adobe Utilities
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