Associating an xmp from a jpg to a raw file

I am looking at converting a raw file (NEF or CRW) to a jpg to shrink the filesize. I then want to change attributes such as exposure and temperature in the jpg, saving the settings in the xmp and then associating the xmp file with the original raw file.
I seem to be able to rank the image, but if I change the exposure or temperature, it doesn't render in the raw image in the same way as the jpg.
Does anyone know if this is possible? I suspect that maybe it has to do with the different way colour are rendered between jpgs and raw files.

RawPlusJpeg might help.
Another option, if you don't want to use a plugin, is to do them one at a time using Lightroom's sync function.

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I have my photos organized in folders like this:
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etc.
When I import everything into Lightroom and I just want to see the images from the 02-19_Picnic folder, it's showing me both the raw files and jpegs. Is there any way to only see what's in that main folder and not its root?

You can do it two ways: (BTW, I think you meant to say "main folder and not its subfolder")
1) Click on 02-19_Picnic, this displays all files in that folder and subfolders. Next Cmd-click (I think that's Ctrl-click on Wintel) within the Metabrowser panel, on Raw [under File Type] - if your raws are DNG, then choose DNG. That performs an intersection and thus shows only the Raws. If you again Cmd-click on Raw and then on Jpeg, you get just the jpegs.
2) Click on 02-19_Picnic, this displays all files in that and subfolders. Next, in Find, check "Any Text", and enter "dng", "cr2" or whatever your raw's extension name is. That again displays files in the picnic folder and subfolders that include the raw name somewhere in the metadata (including the file name).
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What I'd like to do is shoot everything in raw + jpg (using Nikon D200), and then keep the raw files only for the important shots.
I really like having the option of raw processing, but the storage demands are obviously very big. If I could just make a selection of multiple photos, and have a command to delete all the raw files from the selected photos, while keeping the original jpgs, that would be great.
Also, it would be great to be able to manipulate a raw file, and then when I'm satisfied with the image, to generate a full-size jpg & ditch the raw file. The jpg then becomes the master for that image.
Basically, I want the raw file safety net for everyday images, without gobbling up gigabytes of disk space every time...
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I am unable to hide RAW files in Bridge.
And I can't delete or rename them in Windows Explorer.
I'm using XP SP3.
Rejected RAW files appear in Bridge as unlabeled files. They are not hidden. "Show Hidden Files" is not checked; "Show Reject Files" is NOT checked. I've got the Label settings on. I created a subfolder and moved a batch of rejected RAWs there. They still show up, but at least they're labeled "Rejected."
Delete: I have a big sort to do, and I'd even be willing to delete these RAW files to avoid seeing them in Bridge.
I tried deleting them in Bridge using several methods, but I get an error message that tells me I don't have the "sufficient permissions." This happens even when I try to delete just one file.
I also tried deleting them in Windows Explorer. There, I got an error message that theyare in use by another program. I cannot re-name them in Explorer either. I got the same error message even when I shut down my computer and opened ONLY Windows Explorer. In Properties > File Attributes, neither Hidden or Read-Only are checked.
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PC: Windows XP SP2, Dual Core 6600, 4GB RAM
Camera: Konica-Minolta 7D shooting RAW and JPG (CF card has 3 files for each frame, RAW, JPE, THM)
Although I Imported my RAW files with no problem, I discovered that the Import also copied the CF card's JPGs to the same folder as my RAW files on the hard drive. So I set out to figure out how to import RAW into LR without also downloading JPGs to my hard drive. I have not succeeded at that and have added a, Delete of the JPGs from my HD before synching Metadata step, to my workflow, but I DID find some truly weird behavior.
The File menu dropdown offers two ways to Import from the card.
1) Import Photos from device which goes directly to the Import dialog where I have preview ON.
2) Import photos from disk . . .which goes to a file display of the CF card for file selections before going to the Import dialog. (Required if you want JPG only)
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If in the disk option with the preference switch set ON, I selected just RAW or both RAW & JPG files on the CF card in the file selection dialog, the Import dialog always showed BOTH RAW and JPG files in the preview. If then, in the Import dialog for any specific file, I selected a RAW or JPG but not both, selecting RAW Imported a JPG file and selecting JPG Imported a RAW file. No kidding.
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>Speaking of which, WHY would anyone want to import jpgs alongside raws in Lightroom? I can't see any reason, and they just take up disk space. Am I missing something?
I'm not as gifted at file editing as many of you are, and often the jpgs I get from Canon or Nikon are much nicer than the raws. Sometimes I am sufficiently pleased with the jpgs that I just toss the raws. Sometimes I want to play, and the jpgs give me a target to shoot for and try to surpass.
Only when I really blew the exposure, not too common anymore, do I really need the raws to save what should have been a really great shot.
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Edit a jpg photo in LR (let's call it photoname.jpg) - add cropping etc. Tell lightroom to "write metadata to file" (CTRL-S in XP).
I cannot see the associated .xmp file in windows explorer..... however, going over to Bridge and "edit in ACR" - the crop settings done in LR are used - meaning that the .xmp is SOMEWHERE.
I've checked, and my show hidden files is checked in windows explorer. I've done a global search on my harddrive for "photoname.xmp" and even "photoname.*". Nothing other than the original shows.
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Where exactly is this .xmp sidecar file being stored for this jpg photo when I tell LR to "write metadata to file"?
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Sidecar ".xmp" files
Stores the settings in an XMP file in the same folder as the raw file with the same base name and an XMP extension. This option is useful for long-term archiving of raw files with their associated settings, and for the exchange of raw files with associated settings in multi-user workflows. These same sidecar XMP files can be used to store IPTC (International Press Telecommunications Council) data or other metadata associated with a camera raw image file. If you are opening camera raw files from a read-only volume like a CD or DVD, be sure to copy the files to your hard drive before opening them. The Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in cannot write an XMP file to a read-only volume and will default to writing the settings to the Camera Raw database file.
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Loss of relationship between xmp and associated raw file.

This is wierd. Please HELP!
I have a folder in my LR Library where the relationship between the xmp files have lost the relationship to ALL the raw files that it "represents" in that single folder. All I see in my grid view are the thumbnails with the exclamation symbol. When i select a thumbnail, LR indicates that the filename of the selected thumbnail is dsc0xxx.XMP instead of dsc0xxx.NEF. The warning box that comes up reads "Lightroom has encountered problems reading this photo". I checked the directory where xmp lives by right-clicking "Show in Explorer". I see the xmp file highlighted and i also see the RAW file just above it as well as all the other raw files.
How do i get my raw files to be once again read by lightroom? Why is lightoom only reading the xmp file? This folder has 288 images that are sorted into collections as well. Re-importing is out of the question. I don't want to go through and sort through everything again.
I tried sychronizing the folder, but that didn't do anything.
I'm using LR version 1.3.1. I then upgraded to 1.4.1 and the problem still persists. Platform is Windows XP SP2
Please Help!

John,
I tried searching for the NEF file and LR doesn't return anything. When i switch the query to .xmp it sees the 'image'. It's not really the image, just the thumbnail of the image that points to an xmp file.
I also moved out all the xmp files out of that folder, did a restart and it still couldn't point back to the raw file. The thumbnail still points to the xmp file. I do however get the question mark icon. clicking on it brings up a browse for a file location dialog box. But the 287 other thumbs in grid view still point to the xmp files. ...Drat.
"Original Nef" files? You mean the ones that were on my CF card? Uh, no. These photos were taken 2 months ago. i've gone through several read write cycles on my CF cards. I still have my NEF files. It's just that LR has decided to only point to my xmp files. This is really messed up.
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Associating an xmp from a jpg to a raw file

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