ATA 133 question

I am finally going to expand my computer and buy another hard drive. My 80 GB keeps getting too full. Seemed so big when I got my new computer 3 1/2 years ago after a 2 GB hard drive. : - )
Can you use a hard drive that has an ultra ATA 133 interface in a G4 MDD 1.0 Ghz computer? The specs for my computer state that only ATA 100 and ATA 60 are supported. What happens if you put an ATA 133 in a ATA 100 slot or an ATA 100 in an ATA 60 slot?
Has anyone used a Seagate 400 GB drive Model # ST3400632A-RK in an older Mac successfully?
Thanks,
Tammy

ATA133 is backward supported in an MDD, it can run off either the up front ATA66 controller or the rear ATA100 controller.
do you have any other HD's other than the main 80GB boot drive?
is your plan is to replace the 80GB boot drive with the 400GB or just to add on the 400GB as a 2nd drive?
your MDD should see the 400GB drive without extra cards or add ons. Just do not be suprised when your new 400GB HD formats to something like 360GB or 375GB...
and also when you do get your new HD, make sure you set the jumpers to Cable Select. It normally works easier than the good old Master and Slave routine as with older models.
You might want to try and check out www.xlr8yourmac.com. they have a Drive Compatibility Database. you enter in your Mac's basic info and and the HD spec info and if someone has use the model Seagate you listed before you can read what they thought of it.
here is the xl8yourmac.com link for you to explore:
http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso
good luck
lz3broc

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In a G4, running with maximum RAM (2gb) is always a good performance move, and helps reduce the "spinning beachball", especially with large graphics files. As for "huge difference", not as such, but, RAM is one of the cheapest (especially now) performance buys that can be had, and more RAM is always better than less.
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Quote from: Del UK on 26-January-08, 06:45:25
Yes,
Go into bios and set boot sequence
Also go into pci controller bios, and set no boot
It's usually CRTL+A or CRTL+M keys on keyboard............
Controller cards will be main boot target, unless told
I have got the boot sequence set correctly - but I can see no sign of a pci controller bios option. Cntrl A or Cntrl M have no effect. Maybe the 645 bios doesnt offer those options.
I have never updated the bios - being of the 'if it aint broke dont change it' school of thought, so I may need to look at this area, now.
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ATA 133

I am finally going to expand my computer and buy another hard drive. My 80 GB keeps getting too full. Seemed so big when I got my new computer 3 1/2 years ago after a 2 GB hard drive. : - )
Can you use a hard drive that has an ultra ATA 133 interface in a G4 MDD 1.0 Ghz computer? The specs for my computer state that only ATA 100 and ATA 60 are supported. What happens if you put an ATA 133 in a ATA 100 slot or an ATA 100 in an ATA 60 slot?
Has anyone used a Seagate 400 GB drive Model # ST3400632A-RK in an older Mac successfully?
Thanks,
Tammy

Look at these links.
First you need to see what the max size HD you can use.
What Macs natively support large IDE drives? (over 128GB formatted)
How Big a Hard Drive Can I Put in My iMac, eMac, or Power Mac?
Cheers, Tom

ATA 133 is a myth!!!

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The HDD has a cache which is SDRAM or DDR RAM (very fast).
However this cache is very small (2MB or 8MB today).
The speed they reffer to in ATA133 is the speed between the controller on the board and the controller on the drive, this can reach very close to 133MB/S, but it can only happen for very short periods of time.
What is reffered to as sqeuential reads and writes (large files on a non fragmented drive) is limited to the cacheplatter speed which is significantly lower due to the mechanical nature of the drive vs electronic nature of RAM or the cache on the drive.
The benchmarks in that review are on a newly installed drive under optimal conditions, they will degrade over time as the drive is filled up and fragmented by use.
The HDD is one of the main bottlenecks in PCs, they are really not keeping up with the progress of the rest of the computer components. They are getting big enough, but not fast enough.

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mobo kt3 ultra
thank you

xp does not know what 6 is yet sp1 may fix that
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just like to know could i have both running on my pc ie sata150 as masta and the ata133 as slave? as iam about to switch over to a sata and would like to be able to dump all my files from my ata133 over to my sata 150.

Quote from: fafner on 20-April-05, 03:01:10
SATA drives have their own cables and ports. They don't get attached to IDE cables. There is no such things as master and slave settings for SATA HDDs. But yes you can run both on the system, assuming your mb has SATA ports.
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