ATA/IDE to SATA upgrade

is it possible to do ATA/IDE to a SATA hard drive upgrade for powerbooks and if so, is there a ATA/IDE to SATA converter especially made for the powerbook? If there is is there a link to find this converter it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Hi, Denny. No, a SATA drive can't be used in a Tibook. There may be adapters you could use in a situation where there's room available, but there isn't any extra space in a Powerbook.
If you bought a SATA drive by mistake, that would explain why you can't find a suitable connector to attach your ATA flex cable to, as reported in your other recent post here.

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Gigabit ATA (IDE) NAS vs USB 2 SATA+new Airport Extreme

Hi,
I'd like to share iTunes, iPhoto and video (HDV) content between two iMacs (G5s) on a Gigabit ethernet LAN. Would also like to stream DivX and VIDEO_TS files down to a media player via Gigabit ethernet. (Looking at TViX HD M-4000P media player as Apple TV won't do DivX and VIDEO_TS)
So I'm looking for a shared disk option.
Would a Gigabit ATA (IDE) based NAS provide read/write of this type of content faster than an USB 2.0 SATA based external disk plugged into the new Airport Extreme ?
I'm considering the new LaCie Ethernet Big Disk 1TB as the gigabit NAS.
Thanks for your help,
Tony

The short answer, Yes. The choke point for the USB 2.0 SATA drive is the Airport Extreme. Because the APE does not have Gigabit connectivity your link to the USB 2.0 drive is limited to a max of 100Mbps via cable or 200Mbps (real world N) via wireless. If you have the iMacs, Gigabit NAS device and the device you're streaming to all hooked to a Gigabit network that would be faster. I would check the specs carefully on the media players and assure that they are Gigabit (also noted as 1000Tx or 802.3ab).
This is my biggest complaint with the APE is no gigabit.

G4 MDD supports SATA internal drives or ATA/IDE

hi all
I'm looking to add more internal hard drive power into my G4 MDD and was curious if it supports only ATA/IDE drives or can I add SATA internal drives? I was told it can handle larger than 120GB hard drives and will I need to get a fan to cool them down? Thanks, Web dude

you talk about putting larger hard drives on rear bays only
I looked over what I wrote and don't see where I said that. Can you clarify?
Maximum theorectical data transfer rates for ATA100 (aka ATA-6) are a little faster than ATA66) aka ATA-5) but only if the hard drive is fast enough to take advantage--most new ones are more than that at ATA133. One Wikipedia article I read says that, in the Windows world, ATA66 commonly has drive size limitations of 137GB due to the OS and drive controller limitations. I've not seen this in Macs. Nothing I've seen here or elsewhere says you can't put big drives in the front bay.
I personally like to keep the boot drive in the rear bay in case that drive is fast enough to take full advantage of the faster bus. As 2 x 250G is enough space for me today, I tend to use the front bays as temporary mounts when pulling data off drives from some of our older Macs. Those often end up being smaller, older drives between 10G and 120G.

From IDE to SATA

I am looking to upgrade from my old hard drives (a 20gb ultra66 and a 60 gb ultra133) to a new SATA setup. I have a few questions about setups on my mobo. I was looking at getting the Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive(s)... my question would be can I use one drive only? Do I have to use a raid setup? and if so, which raid config (Raid 0 right?) for most performance? What are overall opinions on this device? Thanks for the tips!

Well, I have looked online and decided to get 2 drives and just use them standard SATA (No Raid). The two drives are:
        Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD740GD, OEM Drive Only
Specifications:
Capacity: 74GB
Average Seek Time: 4.5 ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 10000 RPM
Interface: Serial ATA
Features: High Performance SATA Interface
Packaging: OEM Drive Only
$177.00
      Maxtor 300GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model 6B300S0, OEM Drive Only
Specifications:
Capacity: 300GB
Average Seek Time: 9.3 ms
Buffer: 16MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: Serial ATA 150
Features: SATA II, -NCQ [Native Command Queuing]
Manufacturer Warranty: 3 years
Packaging: OEM Drive Only
$205.49
I plan to use the Raptor for my OS and most programs and the Maxtor for music, dvds, games, ect... My question now shifts to which headers should I use for this config (I am not planning to raid). Secondly, can anyone recomend a good way to go about installing these... the harddrives I have right now (see sig) are set up similar, 20gb C: for OS and programs and 60GB D: for music and games... Can I just image each harddrive to its respective sata and work? (I am pretty sure the 60GB will work fine but I'm not so sure about the OS) Thanks for all the advice
--I would also like to leave the 60Gb IDE drive in to use as backup for my music.. thanks again

How can i convert IDE to SATA

It is possible if i want to convert IDE HDD to SATA, ATA ? If yes so tell me how ?

I am talking about BIOS, i think this is software
If you'd researched about the differences then you would'nt think this is software or BIOS issue. I believe it to less than 2 minutes to search and find/read the differences using a search engine.
Google
search results for "What's the difference between IDE and SATA hard drives?"
Your question is like asking how to convert fiber optic cable into copper cable. Or how to convert a V8 engine into a Wankel engine.
You really need to learn something about the hardware you think you want to alter before you think you can alter it somehow with software. And don't guess about BIOS or this or that.
Also if you plan to change to a new drive then an SDD would probably be the way to go if you can afford it and if your computer supports it. Much faster access times.
SSD vs. HDD: What's the Difference?
SDD versus HDD access speeds
"SSDs are Faster
SSDs can have 100 times greater performance, almost instantaneous data access, quicker boot ups, faster file transfers, and an overall snappier computing experience than hard drives. HDDs can only access the data faster the closer it is from the read
write heads, while all parts of the SSD can be accessed at once."
La vida loca

Whats the difference- ATA/IDE or CF II

sorry I don't know where to post a wierd question like this. anyway I bought this cheap USB 4GB key chain much like the sony vault one. anyway the guy at the store said it had Flash mem which is a lie and I knew it because the back of the box said rpm 4200. anyway I decided to open it up and see if my PB would read the microdrive through a card reader and no it didn't, the lable says ATA/IDE? not the CFII. anyway my question is what is the difference between the two and how can I get this MD to work on my PB?

So you are saying that my USB 2 card reader might not be picking it up? cause I'll go out and buy a PCMCIA reader if some one is 100% sure that this can be read by OSX I went to the site of magicstor, and they have these MD's in separete catagories
with this...
for mine:
capacity:      4.0 GB
interface:      ATA PIO Mode 4, UDMA66
media type: glass
and this for another:
capacity:      4.0 GB
interface:      CF + TMTypeII
media type: glass
I am just unfamiliar with this kind of interface talk? and I appreciate any comments and enlightenment. thanks.

Ide or sata

I have a Compaq nc6220 laptop and want to know is the DVD drive an ide or sata?
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Seagate 500GB Internal Hard Drive 500 GB ATA IDE +Cable

Will this HD Work on my MacBook (2 GHz, Intel Core 2 Duo)?
"Seagate 500GB Internal Hard Drive 500 GB ATA IDE +Cable"

ok I found another on eBay
"Seagate 250Gb Internal IDE Hard Drive 7200RPM"
(INFO) This is a still in the sealed package 250Gb Internal IDE 3.5", 7200RPM Seagate Hard Drive. This is a Seagate "certified repaired" HDD that was shipped to me for a return. It has never been installed nor has it ever been open. The label also indicates it is a Barracuda 7200.8.
Should this one work on my MacBook.
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P31 Neo V2 , confused by SATA/IDE? SATA drive seemingly using UDMA 5?

HI guys. I am a little confused after using slipstreamed SATA drivers to install XP Pro SP3 on my new PC and a SATA 2 500gb drive.
When I look in device manager I dont see any SCSI controllers at all, under IDE controller I see ICH7 SATA and ICH7 UDMA drivers AND TWO primary IDE channels and TWO secondary channels.
When I look into the chanels, I only have 2 items attached (correct), one IDE DVD drive using one of the primary channels at UDMA 4 and the SATA 2 500 GB which is seemingly using the other primary IDE and running at UDMA 5!
How can I get the 500gb SATA 2 drive to use the SATA 2 - 3gb channel which is advertised for the board? At the moment it seems to be using IDE compatibility mode and I cant get it to move over to SATA whatever I do. The board has no AHCI option in the bios, only SATA on/off, IDE on/off. The default is both on, and thats how I installed windows XP.
Have I been conned when it said SATA 3gb capable?

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If none are needed then none will be used
I know. That is why I said it was unnecessary for this mainboard (none of the drivers are needed).
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IS he wrong?
Not entirely. Part of your statement in that forum was wrong. This part of your comment was correct:
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that its meant to be that way.
But this one wasn't:
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SATA is a form of IDE apparantly
SATA is not really a "form of IDE" (I never told you that and that user is right when he says "thats not correct"). The IDE/Legacy Mode is an operating mode of the SATA Controller which will allow Windows to handle SATA Drives as IDE Devices (for maximum plug&play compatibility). It does not mean that the SATA Drives operate as IDE Devices (or are IDE devices).
And this is what that user said as well:
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because your mainboard has Legacy modus enabled for the SATA controler/ports
There is no contradiction here. And to be more precise: The SATA Controller of the ICH7 Southbridge only supports IDE/Legacy Mode, so there is no way to put it into any other operating mode (AHCI or RAID).
I will attach a screenshot of my Device Manager (I use the German Version of XP, but you will find the important information anyway). I use a P45 Platinum. The SATA Controller integrated into the ICH10R Southbridge is currently running in IDE/Legacy Mode. My SATA-II HD is listed as being attached to the one of the Secondary IDE Channels. As you can see, Windows shows "UDMA 5".
I have used this drive on a number of Intel Boards (975X/ICH7DH Chipset, P35 Platinum/ICH9R Chipset, P965 Neo Combo/ICH8 Chipset). Whenever the SATA Controller is set to IDE/Legacy Mode, Windows will report IDE Channels and "UDMA 5". It is a side effect of the IDE/Legacy Mode (for which no SATA Drivers exist (at least not for Intel Chipsets) and no descriptive value whatsoever. This is basically the price you pay for such a plug & play compatibility mode (make Windows believe it is an IDE Drive), but it does not mean the drive is not operating within in specifications of SATA-II.

P965 platinum ide and sata problems

in bios om my mb it says that i have ide not sata >:(.
and i cannot see my cd-rom as an ide.
i have tried to update bios but it didnt work i tried liveupdate and usb stick.
when i set my mb to ahci function on my sata config, windows dosent find the disk in the os installation. and my computer cannot load windows.
in windows something is wrong with the cd-rom when i use it my computer is going slowly.
i think this problem is caused by the jbmicron software.
anybody who can help me with this problem??
Specs:
Msi p965 platinum
c2d e6600
corsair twin2x 2048mb ram
xfx geforce 7900gt
wd raptor 10000rpm 74gb
seagate 160gb sata2
thermaltake pure power 460w

Would much appreciate some help if anyone is familiar with this issue!
I'm having a very difficult time getting the the 965 Platinum to recognize my IDE devices, and I don't know why. I've got a Sony DRU-500A DVD burner in the master position, and a Maxtor 6L300R0 hard drive in the slave position. The jumpers on those devices are appropriate for their position. The devices are "usuable", that is, I've been able to run the Windows XP installer (up to a point) and writes have occured to my hard drive, but the installation fails after the portion where you reboot after all the files have been written from the install disk.
In any case, the Standard CMOS screen simply never shows any devices detected on either the IDE Primary Master or Slave entries. I've tried disconnecting the DVD drive and just connecting the Hard Drive as master instead with no improvment. I've also tried disabling the SATA configurations, toggling PCI IDE Busmastering. Nothing works.
I've never been able to boot into Windows.
There was a point where the JMicron Raid menu showed this drive as a raid drive for reasons that aren't clear to me (the drive may have been a raid drive in the past). I've set the drive back to non-raid, rebooted back into my old system and everything checks out. No problems at all, so I think that there are any RAID issues.
I'm not a pro at building systems, so there could be user error anywhere alonog the way.
Any ideas? I'm bamboozled!

SATA,ATA,IDE,DDR and BIOS

My head is scratching alot now.
I got the following system:
-Antec Truepower 480W ATX
-MSI 6570 Delta-ILSR
-AMD 3200+ 400MHz, Tt VOLCANO 12 EXTREME
-2x512Mb pc3200-DDR 400 Elixer
-SATA 160Gb Seagate (brand new, want it like "C:" )
-ATA/100 IBM Deskstar 40Gb (old XP "C:", want it like a "slave" but not formated)
-ATA/100 IBM Deskstar 120Gb ("Slave")
-Samsung CD/DVD
-Samsung CD-R,CD-RW
-AGP: WinFast Titanium 500 TDH
-PCI: netcard
my problem is the same as many other people, cant configure the system.
I have been trying 2xATA/100 on IDE 1 as master and slave, the Jumper settings on the hd putted like device 0 master and the other as device 1 slave
The SATA (Seagate 160 Gb) I just connected as normal.
IDE 2 i have the CD-DVD(master) and CD-RW(slave)
BIOS set up i been trying to boot in following order:
First - CDROM
Second - FLOPPY
Third - SCSI
other BIOS setting i have to think about ?
1.Booting system - Ctrl+F - SATA is found
2.Boot cd - Win XP Pro+ SP1 ----> F6 installing 2000/XP Promise SATA fast track from A:
3.reboot and start installation
4. cant install from SATA no drivers on that disk , no partition :-(
what am I doing wrong ?
And then the thing with the DDR´s
is it true that i cant use my 2x512mb PC3200 in dual mode because they are from Elixer ?

First strip your set up back to a CD and the SATA drive also if have a Zip unplug it.
Creat an array using the Ctrl f keys when the screen flashes during boot up it is the secound screen during boot. Sense you only have 1 Sata drive leave it's jumpers the way they or set by manufactor. If you have changed them set them to cable select.
Creat a Raid O with only the one drive.
when done say yes when computer starts to install drivers the first screen will ask if you have a SCSI hit F6 key do so.
When it is done loading the drivers it will ask if you have any disk drivers to load click S do so it will ask for SATA 3.5 disk put it in and click yes. This only install it in memory and will need it again when done installing OS. Don't use the SATA drivers that come on the OS disk they or for a PCI conltroler.
Now go on and install your OS if you want it on this drive.
After doen installing OS and during first Boot go into Bios and set Bios to boot Floppy first CD secound and than SCSI. IF you installed OS on the SATA drive you must have SCSI in boot order to work.
Finish loading programs and than hook up your other drives on your IDE one as master the other as slave.

Help! Can't get IDE 3 - SATA to work.....

Hi all,
after going to some of the threads regarding SATA/PATA IDE controller and setup, I am even more confused.
I built my first system back in January and had some issues with my video card (ATI AIW 9800 Pro), which are now finally resolved (after 2 RMA’s).
Last night I upgraded the BIOS successfully to v 1.4.
Here is my problem: I hooked up a mobile 250 Gig WD HD to IDE 3 (strictly for data back-up)– which is not recognized. When I first installed XP and hit F6 nothing happened – I had the “VIA SATA RAID driver” diskette in the A: drive – but the installation process just went on….
Now I finally (with help from ATI customer support) got my video card installation issues resolved and I don’t want to do a re-install of XP.
Is there any way to install the necessary drivers without re-installing the OS?
(if yes – can I use my diskette/disc – or go to MSI’s website for a “live update”?)
What would be the correct BIOS setting?
Remember – I do not need Raid – just IDE 3 hook-up for a removable HD.
Thank you for your help,
hansmann

What am I doing wrong???
I am getting the message “No drive attached to FasTrack controller” in BIOS – which indicates to me that the drive is not seen or not connected. So I checked the settings – no jumpers, replaced the conductor cable and made sure the power connector was attached.
Same message…
This is on my IDE 3 single, removable 250 GB WD HD – trying to set up as Promise
RAID for data back up.
Under “Disk Mgmt” only the 2 HD’s on IDE 1 show up – the same under “Disk drives”.
Under SCSI and Raid controller both, the VIA serial ATA Raid and the Win XP Promise
FasTrack 376/378 ™ controllers are showing.
When I am hitting control F in BIOS – nothing happens (at the Promise utility screen).
Also, I have XP pro installed – so all of this is on an existing OS, not a new install.
What do I miss??? This is driving me crazy.
As usual – your help is appreciated.
hansmann

USING A PCI CARD TO RUN A 320GIG ATA/IDE HD IN A QUICKSILVER G4

I didn't realise that my model did not support HD's over 120gb. After much reading I found out that I would need a PCI ata 133 card. On checking on ebay it was confusing as to which one. What do I specifically need? There is a range in prices also for similar units. I would rather pay more for quality? Are all PCI cards compatible for macs and PCs?

Hello! No not all cards will work in Macs and many are not bootable. Sonnet's pci cards are bootable and many like OWC's cards. Personally I like Sonnet's SATA card since many new drives are the newer technology. You could put the drive in an external firewire enclosure that would also be bootable. HERE's the Sonnet ide/ata133 card which will do what you want and HERE's a good enclosure should you decide to go that route. tom

Raid S-ata,ide,raid 0,1,0+1 and io in general

I've got a bunch of questions I wanna ask so i suppose the apt thing to do on a forum like this would be to put them in priority lol.
1. I remember somebody saying that 2 raid arrays, one being raid 0 and the other being identical and used to mirror the first is impossible. Can someone tell me why and if not how to set it up?
- (I Have had Delayed Write Failure problems under XP(ectin' OSmethin' better), but I'm fairly sure I caused this by changing and fixing the page file size and forcing the machine not to page system files.)
2. There seems to be a bit of a divide as to the value of the promise controller, I would like some hard facts and first hand experiences.
3. Can both the promise and via controllers be used for seperate raid arrays and if so could one be S-ATA and the other be IDE or do they have to be homogenous?
4. If I Choose to go with a different version of raid, say 1, or 0+1 what sort of performance difference is there from raid 0 and for that matter from each other?
5. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the promise controller can handle four disks in an array - could this be true?
6. Somebody mentioned that the VIA raid solution was only a software solution, is this true and if so how much CPU overhead could I Expect.
7. Any other disk related performance or redundacy advice would regarding these controllers etc. would be appreciated.
8. Sorry about the length of this post people.

well i am no expert but i'll attemp to answer your q's
1. a windows delayed write error can be from cacheing your hard drives go to device
manager, (rt click my computer) hardware,device manager,
disk drives ,properties, policies, un check optimise for performance.
2. the promise can run a sata array and a ide array, or can combine them into one big array, with the reduced performance of the ide drives.
3. stripped or raid 0 is the fastest, especialy if your a gamer and set it up with smaller clusters, say 32k. raid 1 is mirrored, or a duplicate copy of your hard drive and is only good if your drive fails, it does nothing for corupt windows, or installs, or viruses, it is a copy, (i use norton ghost to make drive images at various stages for backups, to combat virus, and corupt installs that destroy windows.
4.you could backup a stripped array ,but when you strip ann array say two 120 gig hard drives it creates one big 240. that is why i partioned mine into two 120s, so i could ghost them. (which i feel is better then a mirror.
5. speed, when i had my system disk on ide1 it tranfered at 36 mb/sec when i put them on ide3 raid 0 128k cluster(better for large files, like photoshop) it increased to 65 mb/sec...nearly double.
6. i oc and ide oc's better then sata, so i stuck with ide and a fsb of 222.
hope that helps, and if anyone would like to add plz do

2 Ide + 1 Sata

MOBO: Neo2-P with 2.6GHZ Intel chip, 1 GB RAM
Very new at the SATA game, but I have a very simple setup that I can't seem to get to run efficiently, most likely because of a questionable BIOS setup. I have 2 IDE drives hooked up to IDE1, DVD combo hooked up to IDE2, and 1 SATA 10k rpm drive hooked up to SATA1. I'm running Win 2k, BTW. The IDE drives work fine, and when I move large amounts of data bewteen them (as a simple test) the transfer is very fast. But when I transfer files to and from the SATA drive, it's VERY slow, as though the communication between the SATA drive and the rest of the computer is not correct (the formatting of it in Disk management also took about 8-9 hours!) I not experienced with a BIOS setup that includes the SATA drive, and I'm sure there are many possible configurations that I did not try, but the one peripherals configurations that seemed to make the BIOS recognize all the components was the following:
On-Chip ATA Operate mode: Legacy (even though Win2k should work wth Native)
ATA Coniguration: PATA
Keep SATA enabled:Yes
PATA Channel selection: Both
SATA Ports Def: P0-1st p1-2nd
I have a feeling this isn't right, but it seemed to be the configuration that resulted in showing all the components in their rightful place in the Standard CMOS.
One last thing that shows that the communication with the SATA is off: I run an audio recording app - when I use the SATA as the source of the recording files, playback is SUPER choppy - but when I run the same files from the C drive, playback is smooth as silk. The 10k SATA drive should theoretically beat out the C drive though. Any ideas on how this should be set up?
Thanks,
Hop

Quote from: vango44 on 04-March-04, 14:27:25
Just to clarify a little:
The parts you are crediting to me from that thread are actually from Maesus' FAQ thread. I just quoted it in my post.
The settings that Danny posted are the most appropriate for your setup. The additional "P0/P1 etc" settings only specify which of the 4 Intel data channels the SATA drives will be placed in the Standard Cmos settings and shouldn't affect XP booting or not.
None of those settings should be causing the slow transfer speeds that you describe. All they do is configure the amount and order of the Intel IDE/SATA data channels. They're either enabled or they're not.
After setting things like Danny suggested, open Windows Device manager>>IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers and find the channel that has the SATA and check the "advanced" tab to confirm that it is operating in UDMA5 mode.
You could also try Serial2 connector.
Make sure there are no sharp bends in the serial cable. They are suseptible(sp?) to failure this way.
Have you tried any hdd benchmarks? What results do you get?
I have the excat problem in XP. I checked the controllers and its not set to UDMA5 but PIO Mode. Hmn.. kinda new to this and dont know what it means but is that the root of my slow SATA disk? If so anyway I can change it to UDMA5? cause there aint an option in the advance tab.

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