[Athlon64] Confused about BIOS versions

I'm looking to upgrade my BIOS - but since the layout change in the BIOS download section, I'm confused.
1) What's the difference between Award and AMI BIOS'?
2) Am I to use an Award or AMI BIOS for my board?
3) Under the AMI BIOS's (the only ones available for my board), the Special Note says that versions 1.x and 2.x don't work with the K8T Neo-F. I'm using an earlier version - does this include my board?
Any info is appreciated. Thanks!

You install an AMI bios as a motherboard only had one bios type and yours is AMI.
See: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=496&kind=1 for latest bios update. The latest is up the top of the list.
Don't know what the red means though so someone needs to clarify that for you.

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I've flashed my main board bios many times over the years in various set ups, the bios on two different SSD disks and so on.. never had a problem with that, or finding out if I have the correct bios, how to do it and so on.
Maybe I'm stupid, but this MSI Twin Frozr II O/C GTX 580 bios thing confuses me a lot... So, how do I solve this situation?

I am also interested in the answer as I have 2 MSI N580GTX-M2D15D5/OC cards. I can find the latest BIOS file "NV801MS.KG4.zip" and know the version is "KG4". But how do you relate this to the current BIOS version Afterburner or GPU-Z provides? The version they each provide is "70.10.17.00.01" for both cards. The only other way to determine if they are up to date is to install and run MSI Live Update. MSI Live Update responds that they are up to date with no current version or online version information on the Live Update tab. At least the information on the Home tab states the same VGA BIOS version as GPU-Z and Afterburner. I can can only assume that the BIOS is updated by using MSI Live Update.
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Worried about bios version for L855D-S5117

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Hi Week ends are some times slow on replies. I have no life so I hang around here to much. I'm not sure how much help I'll be, but will give it a shot. I'm sure you know you have to have the boot order set to boot from USB as the first choice. The USB must have a working OS installed on it. I have a seagate 1TB hard drive that I use to put my back up images on and other things. I have a 16GB flash that I have Toshiba recovery media on.If I try to restore with the 16GB USB while the 1TB is plugged in, it refuses to boot because there is no operating system on the 1TB and it won't boot. If I unplug the 1TB and plug in the 16GB USB, it recognizes the USB and will boot to it because it has a OS on it. Having said all this and which you probably already knew, I suggest you go to the Linux forum and ask them what your doing wrong. You will get better replies during the week.
Dokie!!
PS This is what Microsoft has to say, which is over my head.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315943
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Confused about GB versions - HELP

Which Garageband x versions are included in the iLife versions, i.e:
iLife 06 - Garageband 3?
iLife 08 - Garageband 8?
What is the significance of these numbers and how do they relate?
I ask because I just bought Pogue's Missing Manual for GB 2 and, while I guess it will be a good read, I am not sure if it is about the GB in iLife 8, which I own.
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iLife 06 - Garageband 3?
Yes
iLife 08 - Garageband 8?
iLife 08 has GB4
What is the significance of these numbers and how do they relate?
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I am not sure if {Pogue's Missing Manual for GB 2} is about the GB in iLife 8,
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Regards
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Hi,
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olavt,
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[MSI Z97 Xpower AC] Confusion about about BIOS updating...

So I am a newb who has just finished his first build, using the "MSI Z97 Xpower AC" motherboard (purchased last month).
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But as I was reading reviews of this motherboard, there was some talk about the manual being "out-dated" in regards to BIOS update instructions. Some people suggested using some "forum method" for updating. I also see this topic which provides an alternative method for updating the BIOS:
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Quote from: JLio01 on 31-March-15, 07:54:03
Forum tool is safer, M-Flash is easier. (my pov..)
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Confusion about third-party-libraries in different versions in CE 71.

Hi
After some research on the use of different versions of third-party-libraries in SAP netweaver CE 7.1, I am actually quite confused and would be happy if someone could shed a light on that subject....
1. Is there a way to tell netweaver CE 7.1 to use a library in my WEB-INFlib-folder by simple configuration?
E.g. we would like to use a third-party-lib in a newer version than the one which is loaded by CE 7.1. Many application server provide a simple configuration option (e.g inside META-INFapplication.xml) where the web as can be forced to use the library inside WEB-INFlib for this application.
2.Is the concept of "heavy loading" described in a blog by Georgi Danov(Using Hibernate in SAP NetWeaver Composition Environment) the answer to question 1.?
Does it also work for other third-party-libraries than hibernate? Does it work at all?
3. In the blog mentioned in question 2, Mr. Danov is talking about "shared libraries". Does this mean, that I have to forget everything about "bundled" and "standard" libraries explained in help.sap.com/CE, if I want to create a heavy loader?
He is referencing another blog (Applications and shared libraries) which is two years old? Can I still apply the information there to CE?
4. Are "Bundled libraries" applicable when using different versions of third-party-libraries in CE 7.1?
In "Working with libraries" (http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce10/helpdata/en/44/f4e00e56ec0486e10000000a155369/frameset.htm) it says:
"Bundled libraries: These provide resources only to a single enterprise application, and are packed inside the application's EAR file."
=>As I want to provide the lib only to my enterprise application, I will probably have to create a bundled library, right? Does this also work if netweaver CE 7.1 uses a different version of the same library?
5. Do I need Netweaver Developer Studio for creating "bundled" libraries?
Or can I copy the binaries in the WEB-INFlib-folder of my application, deploy it and use it?
6. Is configuration of application-j2ee-engine.xml the right place to reference a third-party-library in a specific version which exists in WEB-INF/lib-folder in my application even if it exists also in another version on netweaver?
=> In the document "Troubleshooting: Finding Missing Parent-Child Relations" it says: "To implement the chain of parent-child relations in the deployment descriptor of the component, use either application-j2ee-engine.xml (for applications) or provider.xml (for libraries and services)."
=> "Creating standard libraries" (http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce10/helpdata/en/44/f447a8d62b0484e10000000a155369/frameset.htm9 tells me, that I have to configure the file application-j2ee-engine.xml, too.
=> But in "Working with libraries" (http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce10/helpdata/en/44/f4e00e56ec0486e10000000a155369/frameset.htm) it says:
"Standard libraries: These provide resources to all enterprise applications deployed on the server. They are packed in EAR files like the enterprise applications."
=> Does this mean, that I have to force Netweaver CE 7.1 to use a higher version of a certain third-party-library? Does this even work? Do all applications deployed on Netweaver 7.1 have to use this library in the higher version?
It is really confusing to read through the documentation!!! Sorry for that avalanche of questions, but I really hope it will make the issue of using libraries (especially if they exist in different versions on the CE 7.1) a little clearer!
Best regards
Bettina

Hi Bettina,
I'll try to answer your questions:
>
> Hi
>
> After some research on the use of different versions of third-party-libraries in SAP netweaver CE 7.1, I am actually quite confused and would be happy if someone could shed a light on that subject....
>
> 1. Is there a way to tell netweaver CE 7.1 to use a library in my WEB-INFlib-folder by simple configuration?
>
> E.g. we would like to use a third-party-lib in a newer version than the one which is loaded by CE 7.1. Many application server provide a simple configuration option (e.g inside META-INFapplication.xml) where the web as can be forced to use the library inside WEB-INFlib for this application.
>
First of all, the appropriate docs are here: [http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce10/helpdata/en/44/f4e00e56ec0486e10000000a155369/frameset.htm|http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce10/helpdata/en/44/f4e00e56ec0486e10000000a155369/frameset.htm].
Basically what you do is define a lib project in the studio and deploy it do the server. This may be less comfortable then just configuring manually, therefore it work better in larger environments because the server checks that libs are available in all running instances - which it could not do if you manipulate diretories manually (an approach you should never attempt in any SAP envrionment)
> 2.Is the concept of "heavy loading" described in a blog by Georgi Danov(Using Hibernate in SAP NetWeaver Composition Environment) the answer to question 1.?
>
> Does it also work for other third-party-libraries than hibernate? Does it work at all?
>
If Georgi describes it, I hope so, as he is one of our developers who knows best.
> 3. In the blog mentioned in question 2, Mr. Danov is talking about "shared libraries". Does this mean, that I have to forget everything about "bundled" and "standard" libraries explained in help.sap.com/CE, if I want to create a heavy loader?
>
"shared" are all of theses libs, as otherwise they would be specific to an application.
> He is referencing another blog (Applications and shared libraries) which is two years old? Can I still apply the information there to CE?
>
This was about anearly version of CE and even Georgi updated the blog this year to talk about slight differences. So yes, this still applies.
> 4. Are "Bundled libraries" applicable when using different versions of third-party-libraries in CE 7.1?
>
> In "Working with libraries" (http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce10/helpdata/en/44/f4e00e56ec0486e10000000a155369/frameset.htm) it says:
>
> "Bundled libraries: These provide resources only to a single enterprise application, and are packed inside the application's EAR file."
>
> =>As I want to provide the lib only to my enterprise application, I will probably have to create a bundled library, right? Does this also work if netweaver CE 7.1 uses a different version of the same library?
>
That depends... Your application uses it's own classloader which means it should only use your libs in case there is another version available on the server. But if you're trying to deploy a lib that is used by a service of the server (int that case loaded by the server not your classloader!) I'm not so sure.
> 5. Do I need Netweaver Developer Studio for creating "bundled" libraries?
>
> Or can I copy the binaries in the WEB-INFlib-folder of my application, deploy it and use it?
>
You need the Studio. No way around that. [Edit:] Sorry, misunderstood you here: I thought you want to copy something into the deployed directory on the server! - Of course, any deployment method would do it and though copying binaries seems to be valid. However, I'm checking this currently with development in detail.
> 6. Is configuration of application-j2ee-engine.xml the right place to reference a third-party-library in a specific version which exists in WEB-INF/lib-folder in my application even if it exists also in another version on netweaver?
>
> => In the document "Troubleshooting: Finding Missing Parent-Child Relations" it says: "To implement the chain of parent-child relations in the deployment descriptor of the component, use either application-j2ee-engine.xml (for applications) or provider.xml (for libraries and services)."
>
> => "Creating standard libraries" (http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce10/helpdata/en/44/f447a8d62b0484e10000000a155369/frameset.htm9 tells me, that I have to configure the file application-j2ee-engine.xml, too.
>
> => But in "Working with libraries" (http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwce10/helpdata/en/44/f4e00e56ec0486e10000000a155369/frameset.htm) it says:
>
> "Standard libraries: These provide resources to all enterprise applications deployed on the server. They are packed in EAR files like the enterprise applications."
>
> => Does this mean, that I have to force Netweaver CE 7.1 to use a higher version of a certain third-party-library? Does this even work? Do all applications deployed on Netweaver 7.1 have to use this library in the higher version?
>
>
>
> It is really confusing to read through the documentation!!! Sorry for that avalanche of questions, but I really hope it will make the issue of using libraries (especially if they exist in different versions on the CE 7.1) a little clearer!
>
> Best regards
> Bettina
Could you tell me what you're trying to deploy? I'll try to get Georgi on this....
Regards,
Benny
Edited by: Benny Schaich-Lebek on Nov 5, 2008 1:40 PM

Confused about the 'cpu fsb clock frequency' setting, etc., in cell in bios

just got a new k8n neo2-f nforce3 board with an a64 3500+ venice chip. It is properly recognized in the bios and windows as an a64 3500+ at 2.2ghz, but I'm confused about the cell menu settings in the bios. I see a 'cpu fsb clock frequency' which was automatically set at 200mhz, but the fsb runs at 1Ghz (1000mhz), so what is the 'fsb clock frequency' if not equal to the cpu fsb? Is 200 the correct setting for that? Should I need to change any of the other settings in here? I wonder, because my 3dmark03 score only went up 200 points from the same system with a AthlonXP 2500+ chip and kt4avl mobo, which seems like a low increase to me.....

I would set that to Manual in BIOS, so that you can incremently increase the CPU speed without causing a sudden crash. Each system is different and operates within the specs of not only the CPU, but system memory and PCI-E add-ins as well. Your video card is the primary driver behgind your 3DMark scores...but you haven't listed that?!

[Athlon64] Have problems the bios version 5 for K8T Neo-V

Sorry for my very bad english, the spanish is my native language.
I buy a a MSI K8T Neo-V motherboard with a CPU Sempron 2800+ Rev E6 (64bits).
this motherborad have the bios version 1.1 and showme CPU Unknow.
I update the bios to version 5 and now the Cpu Info is Showme Correctly.
but 2 problems begins.
*****IMPORTANT ERRROR
1.- At try Shutdowns the pc (in windows set Start\Shutdows\Shutdown) the pc is reset and not off.
(If I have in windows XP and press the button off the pc is reset/I try in linux and the same, the pc is not off, only reset) :-(
only what th pc is not in windows (at begins) the button off works Ok.
2.- In the Bios The Temperature Info ( Cpu and System ) is show swap.
3.- I use a Sound Card Cmedia, this card have pc game port. but the Pc/Administrator/Device Show
2 pc game port (1-motherboard/1-SoundCard) and the 1º iks show with yellow mark. :-(
please send me a bios update.
salu2
carlos vargas

Do a floppy drive flash with the correct switches. Go back to the last bios that worked properly or try Pinochio's bios which a lot of people like. Liveupdate will mess up your bios. So can winflash if you do not use it correctly.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=81017.0
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=86257.msg617198#msg617198
After you have read about it, do this using the correct flash utilty file name and the correct bios file name
"DOS floppy flash shall be performed with :
awfl833d.exe w7030nms.180 /py /sn /wb /cc /cd /cp /f /e
(Replace biosfilename with appropriate version for Neo1/neo2 etc , switches remain the same )
After flash is complete :
TURN OFF PSU (don't restart) wait 15 seconds
Turn on again , press the power button .
Enter BIOS and load optimized defaults (NO OTHER CHANGES) , save + exit
Boot the system again with the floppy in the drive to let the DMI pool build and update itself .
Good luck.

Confusion about UEFI/BIOS and GPT/MBR compatibility issues

So a user said in another post that they were NOT able to boot in UEFI mode and install Fedora even though it is UEFI compatible. But this person was able to useLegacy mode and install Fedora, and furthermore, was able to "keep the Windows partition." I'm guessing that means that Win 8 that came with it, which would be installed in UEFI/GPT mode, correct? I'm specificly referring to the Y510P but from what I understand *every* laptop that comes preinstalled with Win 8 must be UEFI/GPT.
So the way I understand it is that the installed Fedora is in "BIOS"/GPT mode rather than "BIOS"/MBR mode because you can't have both GPT and MBR on the same disc.
I have just started learning about this UEFI/BIOS and MBR/GPT nonsense, and it's going to drive me crazy until I finally understand it. So I guess what I'm asking is:
1) When I get my y510p I assume it will be in UEFI/GPT mode. Can I install non-UEFI distros alongside it as I take it was done with Fedora?
2) If I install a linux distro alongside Win 8, do I have to worry about compatibility issues with a drive that is in GPT format? Or does the MBR/GPT issue have nothing to do with it, so I don't have to worry about ever changing my drive to MBR?
For example, I read that Win 7 must be installed either as BIOS/MBR or UEFI/GPT. This can not be mixed and matched. This means that if I could not get the Windows 7 installer to boot in UEFI I would have to install as MBR. This also means I would have to format the drive and reinstall Win 8 on the MBR.
So my question is do other OS's like Linux have these restrictions? (For example, if a particular distro will not boot in UEFI and therefor MUST install on MBR)
3) I have a pendrive with YUMI installed with a ton of distros/tools/Win installs/etc. (It is a USB boot tool like unetbootin that allow you to add multiple bootable images.) When I tried it recently on my dad's laptop. I have used it many, many times with my older computers, none of which were UEFI. It works great. Now that I've had a recent encounter with my dad's ASUS Windows 8 computer (not with the y510p yet) I found out that UEFI seems to be complicating the crap out of things (for me, at least.)
So when I used this computer, I noticed that when I boot (with legacy mode enabled) and enter the "boot selection screen" in order to boot with USB, I have two options a) UEFI:"name of usb" and b) "name of USB". The UEFI option would NOT boot, but it would boot without the UEFI: option.
So does this mean that I am booting in non-UEFI mode and once I have booted this way and choose a distro to install that it CANNOT install in UEFI mode? I recently saw a tool called Rufus that I have yet to try that has an option to set the bootable USB to UEFI, so that would possibly work if I wanted to install a UEFI compatible distro (Arch linux is what I'm wanting.)
4) If installing a UEFI compatible distro (such as Arch) requires that the USB device be able to boot in UEFI mode has anyone been able to do this? Has anyone even been able to boot a device in UEFI mode to do *anything* such as run a live linux?
I'm 99% sure I would be able to boot in legacy mode and run a live linux (because I did so on my dad's computer) but the problems arise when I consider how to INSTALL.
I would really like to know the answers to these questions (as scattered as they are.) Any help would be appreciated!
Unnecessary info:
(I started learning about BIOS/UEFI and MBR/GPT the hard way a few days ago by trying for hours to install Windows 7 on my dad's Windows 8 laptop because I could NOT get Win 7 installation to work...it kept asking for drivers before I could install until I finally used the Windows USB install tool, put the stick in a different USB, AND formatted the drive as MBR because Windows 7 would NOT install on the existing GPT drive until I used diskpart.exe -clean. And I have read that Win 7 64 bit will work fine on a UEFI/GPT setup. I used the Windows 7 USB boot tool which did NOT give me a UEFI: and regular option. It showed up simply as "name of usb" without a UEFI in front. Since I read that Windows 7 must either be in BIOS/MBR mode or UEFI/GPT mode that this drive would not boot in UEFI mode, and I don't know why...Although I believe I read that Win 7 cannot be installed from a USB in UEFI/GPT mode, only BIOS/MBR. UEFI/GPT mode requires a DVD install but I did not have a drive to test this.)

I have a Y510p which is running dual boot Windows 8.1 and Arch Linux. I think that it is strongly advised to do plenty of reading ahead of any install if you will be using UEFI and Linux so that you understand all the issued before making critical changes to the existing system.
Yes, if the machine comes with Windows 8 (as mine did) then the disk will be formatted with a GPT partition table (instead of the old MBR partitioning scheme), and will boot using UEFI. If you are going to try to keep the existing Windows 8 system and add Linux then you will need to keep the disk with its GPT partition table and partition structure, but you can shrink the Windows 8 C: drive to make space for the Linux partitions that are needed ( a root partition and at least a /home and/or /opt partition and possibly a linux swap partition also ). If you want to boot the Linux install via UEFI then you can simply add the required boot directory to the EFI System Partition (ESP).
However it is very important that before trying to do any linux install that you switch off Fastboot from within WIndows 8 (or 8.1). Also most Linux distributions are in some difficulty booting using Secure Boot, though a few such a Ubuntu and Fedora are supposed to be able to do so. Hence it is much easier to work with Linux if Secure Boot is first switched off from the BIOS settings menu.
The order of operations that I used was;
1) Switch off Secure Boot from the BIOS - and boot back into the Windows 8 system to check that it boots OK.
2) With Windows 8 running go into the settings and switch off Fastboot (which does a hybrid suspend when it shuts down instead of a full normal shutdown - if you don't do this then the memory gets overwritten when booting Linux in the future which means booting back into Windows will fail).
3) Reboot back into WIndows and check all is well, and if so then use the disk management facility within Windows 8 to shrink the C: drive to make room for the Linux partitions.
4) Reboot to check Windows 8 still boots OK.
5) If you are going to update to Windows 8.1 then do so, and then update everything once it is booted (it is a huge update and takes ages!). Once done then you will likely have to update drivers for the graphics cards, the clickpad and possibly the wireless chip and ethernet chip. I found that I needed to get drivers that were newer than were available on the Lenovo website, by going to the relevant hardware manufacturer website (eg for synaptics for the clickpad). Then spent a week or so in the evenings getting Windows 8.1 configured the way I like it.
6) Then I did a lot of reading about the various options for the boot manager that would suit a UEFI boot for a dual boot system for Windows 8.1 and Arch Linux and there was a choice of Grub, Gummiboot, rEFInd, and others - and after reading the details I decided on rEFInd as my boot manager which can boot not only any new Arch Linux install but automatically finds the Windows UEFI boot files and presents the options in a nice graphical window once the system gets past POST at bootup.
7) It was important to check which partition was the ESP and to know what partitions I needed to create for the Arch Linux system. Then I went ahead and booted from a usbkey to a uefi install system, and very carefully proceeded with a standard Arch Linux install, being particularly careful to know where to put the rEFInd boot manager files and the kernel and initrd files. Also I used efibootmgr to write the appropriate NVRAM boot entry in the motherboard memory so that the uefi boot system knows where to find the rEFInd uefi boot files in the ESP.
8) Once complete the system boots to Arch Linux as the default, with a nice Windows icon which you can select with the arrow keys within the boot timeout period (default 20 seconds).
I noted also that it is possible to create boot stanzas in the rEFInd boot manager config files which allow rEFInd to chain load other Linux systems or even other bootloaders if you wish - so it is very flexible. So if you want to you could install a grub standalone set of diretories/files so that if the normal linux boot fails then you can select the grub icon from rEFInd and chainload grub to boot either the same Archlinux install, or point to a third linux distribution if you have more partitions containing that third install which might be Ubuntu or Mint or ....
Either way although getting to understand how uefi boot works is a learning curve it is actually generally simpler than the old legacy BIOS boot. With uefi you no longer need an MBR on the drive, and only a suitable EFI System Partition which has to be VFAT formatted. However if you want to have one of the linux distributions booting from legacy MBR then you need to create an MBR at the start of the drive - so you would need to move the start of the first partition and create a suitable sized Master Boot Record otherwise MBR boot can't work. If you do that then of course you have to be careful if the Windows partition is the one being re-sized that it doesn't mess up the Windows boot! However since using uefi to boot rEFInd allows a chainload to grub/gummiboot or other bootloaders then there should be no need to mess with MBR booting if you go down that route.
If you are interested in rEFInd then the author Rod Smith has a good set of documentation that describe the details at http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
He is also the author of a really excellent disk partitioner for GPT disks - http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/
Clearly it is necessary to read up on the boot facilities available for any linux distribution that you plan to put on the system.
One nice thing is that uefi boot with an efistub supported kernel build is really fast on the Y510p. My system boots Arch linux in about 7 seconds to the KDE login prompt once the POST is complete and that only takes a couple of seconds. Of course Windows is much slower once it is selected at the rEFInd screen and takes somewherearound 40 seconds or so to boot, but at least Linux is super fast!
Anyway I hope that this helps.

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[Athlon64] K8N Neo4 Bios ver 1.50 eats batteries

Hi, Takesix.
Unfortunately, you are not the only person with this problem. I purchased a non-SLI version of this board about 6 weeks ago and am on my third battery, all from different manufacturers. The board was originally flashed with V1.50 but I flashed it to v1.30 because I had read that it was a better version. This has not stopped the draining battery problem. Have e-mailed MSI and Monarch Computer tech support hoping to get an answer but haven't received any replys yet. To read others strories go to the following link. https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=84120.0 Incidentally, how old is your board? Wonder if it was a specific lot?

What BIOS version does the Z97 Gaming include?

As the title suggests, I'm curious about what BIOS version the Z97 Gaming 5 will ship with if I were to order it, say, right now or sometime next week.
I'm planning on getting the Z97 Gaming 5 together with an i7-4790k, without any plans to overclock it (maybe in the future).
I've read horror stories about people having flashing the BIOS and it failing, and honestly I don't think I'd feel comfortable doing it. I don't know much either when it comes to that specific part of computers.
I'm mostly just curious what version the board will ship with, seeing as it's been out for a while and there's quite a few versions available for download. I haven't been able to find a solid answer anywhere, although most people seem to say that the board will come with one of the later versions, instead of the oldest, or older ones.
Can anyone clarify this for me? I'm a little confused and just want to be sure before I make a purchase. I've finally managed, as a poor student, to get the money to buy this expensive stuff, and I just want to be sure about everything before doing anything else.
Think first, Act later!
Thanks in advance.

Hi
Main difference between Gaming 3 and 5 is that 3 supports only 2-way XFire, but 5 supports 2 way SLI or 3 way XFire.
Another is visual difference:Gaming 3 is looking like Z87 G45 with slight changed, Gaming 5 has the newer Z97 look.
Apart from that I see little differences like number of PCIe slots etc. If you only will use single/dual graphics cards without any WiFi cards or sound cards, then Gaming 3 is ok for that. But choice is up to you: if you don't plan to SLI/XFire, then I would go for Gaming 3 as it's enough for single GPU. If you however would like to SLI/XFire(even in the future) then Gaming 5 is better for that.

K9N Platinum bios version & cpu support

Hi!
I need some help to clear up some questions regarding my MB.
MB: K9N Platinum, Cpu-z states my bios version is 080014, but i cant see it in the bios list for my MB, so what version is it?
Im currently running with a Athlon X2 5200+ Windsor, and i have got my hands on an Athlon X2 6400+ Black Edition, as far as i can see my MB is supporting that cpu, but is my current bios up to date for the cpu?
I have downloaded the MSI usb bios flashtool and i have set it up, and it boots in dos, but when i run memtest the program just says in one line memtest and a flashing + nothing more happens (i have left the pc for about 3-4min but no change) i feel that im starting to push my luck, and i dont want to kill this MB since its my work and gaming rig.
System spec:
MB: K9N Platinum
CPU: Athlon 64 X2 5200+ (want to install Athlon 64 x2 6400+ BE ID: ADX6400IAA6CZ)
RAM: 6Gb DDR2, 2x1Gb, 2x2Gb
GPU: GIGABYTE GTX260 Super OC Edition
PSU: CORSAIR HX520W

Quote from: Lando on 12-November-10, 08:06:01
Thx Svet.
And if im reading this right "Athlon X2 Windsor ADX6400IAA6CZ 6400+ 200 3.20 2M N/A F3 125 7250v18.zip".
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodcpu2&prod_no=252&maincat_no=1&orderby=core_name%20ASC#menu
I need atleast Bios 1.8 to get my MB to work with the new cpu.
So now i just have to figure out why mem test wont run.
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So now i just have to figure out why mem test wont run.
Memtest do have some bugs. You can do test with Orthos instead:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=103598.msg760534#msg760534
To check is your system is stable or not.
Once done you can ignore Memtest when asking after booting from the USB key
Also leave 1 memory stick only temporary in the 1st DIMM close to CPU socket before BIOS flash.[put remaining sticks back when BIOS flash is done/finished].
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And if im reading this right "Athlon X2 Windsor ADX6400IAA6CZ 6400+ 200 3.20 2M N/A F3 125 7250v18.zip".
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodcpu2&prod_no=252&maincat_no=1&orderby=core_name%20ASC#menu
I need atleast Bios 1.8 to get my MB to work with the new cpu.
Go for latest one:
http://download1.msi.com/files/downloads/bos_exe/7250v1B.zip

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