[Athlon64] MSI K8T Neo FSR / Early Chipset Initialization

Hi There,
My MSI K8N Neo Platinum has a broken LAN interface, i don't have the papers of it so I can't send it for RMA. So i bought a MSI K8T Neo FSR.
But there is a problem, when i power up the system, the fans are spinning, the hard disk spins up and the CDRW/DVDROM drives are working. The only thing the system does is hanging at the "Early Chipset Initialization" state accoding to the D-Bracket.
- Tried an other VGA Card > No result (Radeon 9200, Club3D)
- Bought other memory (I do have 1GB now , but still no result)
- Tried resetting the BIOS > No result
- Tried removing the RAM, the system beeps there's no RAM in the system, but when i put it back in the system wouldn't boot again.
- Tried to boot up only with R9200, CPU and RAM, and still it won't work.
- Tried to boot outside the case, but still no result.
I tried my processor, memory, PSU and vga card (6800LE) back in my K8N system and it works great, so i don't think my PSU is too weak.
And I aint thinking that my motherboard is broke, it still beeps without memory in it.
I am getting really confused, i'm out of money now so i can't buy some new stuff.
Anyone ideas?
Specs in signature. (PSU 18A @ 12V), sorry for my bad english.

Quote from: fafner on 03-May-05, 20:55:16
Why don't you get a PCI network card for the K8N system? No need to fuss around with a new mb just to get a LAN connection.
Don't want to use PCI-Cards
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Have you tried removing the RAM and then doing a Bios reset? Sometimes things get sticky if the RAM is still in place during a Bios reset.
I would also unplug anything that is not entirely needed to boot so you can simplify the problem.
Another hint. As the RAM controller is inside the CPU the system will not do anything right without RAM. The CPU will imediately hang.
Just tried a BIOS reset without RAM in the system, the system won't boot. Only the CPU, VGA card and the memory is placed. Only the 4pin 12v and the 20 pin is connected.
It just won't work, maybe the board is dead?

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If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

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I read this in an article on http://www.hardware.no:
"MSI is one of the companies that offer free upgrade to a new motherboard with better
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I never heard MSI was doing such an offer...
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Hey thanx for the heads up on that bas but wanna see something funny
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[Athlon64] MSI K8T Neo FSR / Early Chipset Initialization

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