Ati Radeon 9600 Pro to Ati Radeon X800 XT Upgrade?

I am a videographer on a G5 2ghz with Apple Cinema Display and the Ait 9600 Pro card. I ordered Final Cut Studio 2 and have upgraded my equipment to HDV from SD.
I am not sure about how much performance gain is to be had when upgrading video cards. Is it worth it between the 2 I mentioned. It says I have an AGP bus in my system profiler, so I assume I can only use the X800 card.
Performance for color-correction, encoding, and rendering is important to me, so I was wondering if anybody could explain what kind of gains I would see. I don't understand how the specs would translate efficiency-wise.
Here are the specs for each card:
9600: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/469250-REG/ATITechnologies_100435065_Radeon_9600_Pro256MB.html
X800 XT: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&kw=ATRX800XTM&is=REG&Q =&O=productlist&sku=469237

I have had the X800 for over a year now and have been loving it.
You will notice the most increase in Motion. The more GPU you can give FCP the better it will run.
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