ATI Radeon HD 3650m vs. Mac Mini's Nvidia 9400m?

I've temporarily been using a Dell laptop w/ the specs of 2GHZ Intel 2 Duo processors, 3GB ram and ATI Radeon HD 3650 mobility(256mb). I miss using a Mac so I'm thinking of getting the new Mac Mini with 2GHZ processors, 4GB ram and Nvidia 9400m (256mb). Video card wise, which one would be more powerful? I tried looking for some comparisons between these two online but wasn't able to find any. Are they both about the same? or is one more powerful/faster than the other?
Thanks in advance,
J

They ought to be about the same, but I think the ATI has its own dedicated VRAM, which the mini does not. The mini's GPU takes some memory (256 MB) from the main RAM, so you have slightly less for utilization on the system. It is virtually impossible to notice though.

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Can anyone comment on the noise level of the ATI
X1900 XT compared with, say, the standard GeForce
7300 GT? I use my current Mac to run iTunes, as well
as some other sound based apps that would suffer if
the graphics card noise level was like a jumbo jet on
final approach.
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