Ati radeon hd 4870 for 1st generation mac pros?

unfortunately the ati radeon hd 4870 is working for all mac pros except the first generation: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB999ZM/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ&mco=NDE4NDMxOA
are there any other graphics cards that have a mini displayport connector and are compatible with a mac pro first generation?
thanks for the help!

The information on the AMD/ATI site actually says the 4870 has lower power requirements than the 3870.
The PCIe power limit of 300W is the same for the 2008 Mac Pros as the 2007 8-core Clovertown Mac Pro. Power is not an issue. EFI appears not to be an issue either as Rob's tests have shown.
Can anyone give a logical or technical reason why the 4870 is not being made available to 1st Gen Mac Pros like the 3.0 GHz 8-core. I can't think of anything.
Surely Apple aren't restricting this cards use in an effort to persuade users to upgrade? Are they?

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If this image attached is what you have that died you can have this to bolt on to your original graphics card, it should work just fine as a GPU replacement. It worked fine for me, it's just that the X1900 for me when I used the 1st gen Mac Pro didn't suit my needs.
I've never wanted to throw it away. The board and copper cooling system it was attached to was too cumbersome.
Let me know and I'll ship it to you.

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hi all,
i am trying to make my way through the documentation so that i can get WINDOWS XP back on my first generation Mac Pro since i need to run some programs for work. the old drive that i had this information on was running Snow Leopard (I believe) but it has died.
i have a formatted Fat 32 drive in Bay 2 and i am running Lion on my OS drive in Bay 1 and i am hoping someone can point me to the correct URL for doing this.
my understanding is that i need to use Boot Camp 4 but there appears to be a number of different versions of 4 and i am also having a hard time remembering /how/ to do this. i guess i download the Boot Camp 4 version that i need to my OS drive in Bay 1 and i somehow install this on the drive in bay 2? then i insert the XP disk and it automatically installs itself on this drive?
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I would always have a wired connection, even if you generally want/need to use wireless.
I am not up on Airport or how to install.
http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1222
USB ethernet has never been a real option on Mac OS X.
Links to various troubleshooting articles:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1388
You can download most updates manually, very few that require using Software Update, so it is possible to download in Windows.
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/
I have been happy with Netgear modems, routers and switches, which Amazon is always happy to sell!
http://www.google.com/search?q=MacPro+AppleAirport
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/feedback/airportextreme2007-002/airportextreme2007-002.html
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/jan07/013007.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=appleairportextreme
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AirCardMP/

Well its been about 7 weeks - Any news on a 8800Gt for 1st gen Mac Pro's ?

It was January when the masses were pacified with the announcement of a 8800gt card for us old timers - you know those super out of date , non-upgradeable video 1st mac pro's .....
Why are we being ' dead ended ' like this on video ? The 7300 and 1900 are not at all ' modern ' video cards - why are we being treated like this ? Did we do something wrong ? Did not enough people buy the first gen mac pro ? I the first gen mac pro so under engineered it cant handle the 8800gt or ati2600 ? (2600 is not officially supported by Apple for older mac pro's) ....
Why did my Mac Pro have slots ? Next time just solder the video on ... because thats what I feel like you did to me Apple...... Thanks alot....

+1 for that. Just looking for the answer to two things: will the 8800GT upgrade be available -- as promised -- for 1st generation Mac Pros; if so, what's the ETA?

How/Can I install WINDOWS 7 64BIT on a 1st Generation Mac Pro ?

Hi, Is it possible to install Windows 7 64 bit on a 1st Generation Mac Pro 2.66Ghz? Apple suggests that it's not possible and yet I've seen several Googled posts where the users have successfully installed 64 bit on a 1st Generation Mac Pro. The problem is that they've done this creating a bootable iso disk(whatever that is) using a Windows computer with imgburn and windows commands. I'm pretty good at following instructions but I haven't seen any instructions on how to install Windows 7 on this machine using a Mac based approach.
I'm using BootCamp and was able to partition the drive into NFTS and "proceed" with installation; however all te installations failed during setup and Windows would not boot; disk repair was not possible. Besides, from what I've gathered, 32 bit is problematic around memory issues.
When I try installing 64 bits, I never get past the "select cd rom 1or 2" message where the keyboard won't work. It is at this point where others say they have successfully proceeded with moving forward by creating a bootable iso disk.
Problem is it's all Windows based with exe files and presupposes I already have Windows running.
I'm not sure I really understand how to create an iso disk, but I do have ROXIO TOAST 10 which is capable of burning "ISO" disks.Does anyone know how to do this and/or can you point me to a place where there are instructions on how to proceed?? While I realize Apple says that some mid 2006 mac pros aren't supported, there are multiple posts of windows users successfully installing Windows 7 on a 1st Generation Mac Pro.
Thanks.

I have a March 2009 Mac Pro dual quad core running Win7 Pro 64 bit. I have Windows installed on a dedicated internal hard drive. There are no partitions, the entire drive is for Windows use.
Here's how I installed it, I did not start with BootCamp. Make sure the drive you're going to use for Windows doesn't have any important files on it because it will be formatted.
1. Update Snow Leopard
2. Place the Windows cd in the Super Drive
3. Shut down the computer
4. Remove all the hard drives except the one you want Windows installed on. Keep track of the order they are in and at the end replace them in the same order.
5. Boot the computer holding down the Option key
6. Boot to the Windows cd
7. Install Windows and format the drive to NTFS
8. When Windows needs to restart during installation you'll need to hold the Option key and boot to Windows, not the Windows cd.
9. After Windows installs, place your Snow Leopard disc in the Super Drive
10. The Drivers for Windows will be installed along with a Windows version of BootCamp.
11. Go to Start > All Programs > Apple Software Update
12. Update again until it's done.
13. You'll also find a BootCamp under Control Panel, check it out.
14. Shut down the computer and replace the hard drives in their original order
14. Now if you turn on the computer it will boot to Snow Leopard, but if you hold the Option key during boot you can select Windows or Mac.

How can I install Windows7 -64BIT on a 1st Generation Mac Pro 2.66GHZ Quad?

Hi,
I posted this in Bootcamp but haven't received any replies so I am reposting it here where perhaps it really belongs.Is it possible to install Windows 7 64 bit on a 1st Generation Mac Pro 2.66Ghz?
Apple suggests that it's not possible and yet I've seen several Googled posts where the users have successfully installed 64 bit on a 1st Generation Mac Pro. The problem is that they've done this creating a bootable iso disk(whatever that is) using a Windows computer with imgburn and windows commands. I'm pretty good at following instructions but I haven't seen any instructions on how to install Windows 7 on this machine using a Mac based approach.
I'm using BootCamp and was able to partition the drive into NFTS and "proceed" with installation; however all the installations failed during setup and Windows would not boot; disk repair was not possible. Besides, from what I've gathered, 32 bit is problematic around memory issues.
When I try installing 64 bits, I never get past the "select cd rom 1 or 2" message where the keyboard won't work. It is at this point where others say they have successfully proceeded with moving forward by creating a bootable iso disk.
Problem is it's all Windows based with exe files and presupposes I already have Windows running.
I'm not sure I really understand how to create an iso disk, but I do have ROXIO TOAST 10 which is capable of burning "ISO" disks.Does anyone know how to do this and/or can you point me to a place where there are instructions on how to proceed?? While I realize Apple says that some mid 2006 mac pros aren't supported, there are multiple posts of windows 7 users successfully installing Windows 7 on a 1st Generation Mac Pro.
Thanks.
Mac Pro 2.66GHZ Quad Core

I have a March 2009 Mac Pro dual quad core running Win7 Pro 64 bit. I have Windows installed on a dedicated internal hard drive. There are no partitions, the entire drive is for Windows use.
Here's how I installed it, I did not start with BootCamp. Make sure the drive you're going to use for Windows doesn't have any important files on it because it will be formatted.
1. Update Snow Leopard
2. Place the Windows cd in the Super Drive
3. Shut down the computer
4. Remove all the hard drives except the one you want Windows installed on. Keep track of the order they are in and at the end replace them in the same order.
5. Boot the computer holding down the Option key
6. Boot to the Windows cd
7. Install Windows and format the drive to NTFS
8. When Windows needs to restart during installation you'll need to hold the Option key and boot to Windows, not the Windows cd.
9. After Windows installs, place your Snow Leopard disc in the Super Drive
10. The Drivers for Windows will be installed along with a Windows version of BootCamp.
11. Go to Start > All Programs > Apple Software Update
12. Update again until it's done.
13. You'll also find a BootCamp under Control Panel, check it out.
14. Shut down the computer and replace the hard drives in their original order
14. Now if you turn on the computer it will boot to Snow Leopard, but if you hold the Option key during boot you can select Windows or Mac.

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I have been following the debate regarding the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT and old Mac Pro with interest, however my problem is not quite the same. As all the correspondents are located in the USA. I would guess they are referring to Apple part no MB198Z/A. But ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT is sold in the UK by Apple as part no MB198, and I cannot be sure that it has an identical spec. Does one Know the Answer? Please respond if you know
Thank You
For info Below is the response given by ATI
(The specifications are the same. The HD 2000 series cards runs on PCIE 1.1. You will need to confirm this with www.apple.com since the cards are specifically flashed by Apple. These cards may contain different video bios versions.)

M.O.K.,
Based on the ATI information regarding PCIE 1.1, the card is the same and should work. I would call Apple when ordering to confirm.
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Keith

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Right now, I have a 7300 GT for my first generation Mac Pro. If I got a 4870, and put it in the 32x slot, would it work under Windows? I know it wouldn't work under Mac, but if I moved the 7300 to the 16x slot, would it just fall back on that?
Thanks

There are not 32x slots, especially in 1st gen Mac Pro.
I'd make life easier on yourself:
http://www.barefeats.com/harper15.html
http://www.barefeats.com/harper18.html
4870
http://www.barefeats.com/harper19.html
Windows Vista x64 graphics:
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Can you have 2 ATI 3870 cards in a 1st gen Mac pro

I have a first gen Mac pro my system specs is 2 x 2.66 Ghz Dual Core Xeon. I was wondering if its possible to install 2 graphics. Does anyone have any information on if this is possible and if so can you get cross fire to work on the pc side for gaming.

Yes you can. I have a 1st Gen Mac Pro with 2 ATI 3870s and crossfire mode when I run Windows with Bootcamp.
On the mac side install the drivers BEFORE you put the hardware in.
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In bootcamp: After you physically install the cards you need to remove all current gpu drivers from Windows and then install the new drivers for the 3870s.
I just did this myself not even a month ago after several days of frustration of trying to make it work. The key is to make sure the pcie slots are both equal at 8 lanes. Nothing worked until I did that.
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1st Generation Mac Pro 2.66 dual Core(4 cores total) 5gigs of RAM

I'm still on Logic 8/Tiger. All running very well. Typical projects run about 30 tracks. Use lots of Vi's Omnisphere, Trillian, and RMX included.
Wanting to move to 10.6.2/Logic 9.1. Is my first generation Mac Pro up for the upgrade? Will I still have plenty of juice?
4 drives(OS, audio, samples, and backup)
Thanks for any input!
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I also have a similar set-up but with 8 GB's RAM. I kept the old HDD with the Leopard 10.5.8 and Logic 9.02. Installed a new HDD then did the upgrade. To be honest, it was a PAINFUL process re-loading in all of the software plus updating the software! But, for me at least (knock on wood), I've had no problems with Snow Leopard and Logic 9.1. My first "test" was to run my lastes sequencing project which has a total of 30 virtual instruments and plug-ins from various companies (Kontakt 2.5 Player, Music Lab, "External Instruments", Audio Ease's Altiverb, Universal Audio plug-ins) and all worked well. Now, to be very clear, please realize that this was only 1 "test". But I noticed right-away better usage of the CPU than the previous version. For the previous versions (Leopard 10.5.8 with Logic 9.02) of this one "test" I had to set the buffer to 512 in order to do a problem-free mix-down. But with the upgrade of Snow Leopard/Logic Pro combo, I was able to mix down this project with a buffer setting set to 128. (I'm quite happy with that setting.)
FYI, I'm using Logic Pro 9.1 in 32-bit mode. I tried the 64-bit mode, but some of my plug-ins didn't work in that mode (Music Lab's RealStrat and RealLPC, which I tend to use frequently.) But I'm happy using 32-bit mode, especially using Native-Instrument's Kontakt 4.04. Again, all works well.
Just thought I would share a positive experiece with the upgrades. Good luck with your decision.

Is ATI Radeon HD 4870 compatible with Final Cut Pro X?

I heard that some Ati Radeon aren't compatible with FCP X. Is my ATI Radeon HD 4870 compatible?
Thank you

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4664

Use of NVIDIA 8800GT Card in 1st Generation Mac Pro

I just visited my local Apple store to inquire about the "1st Gen. Mac Pro" 8800GT card. They have some with p/n MB 560Z/A on the box. But no one knows anything in detail about the card, or possible installation/operation problems. Is the MB 560Z/A the card version that should work in my 1st gen Mac Pro (purchased 29Aug06)?

That's the right card. The Mac Pro (early 2008) uses the MB137Z/A

8800GT for First Generation Mac Pros

Hi, thought I would post my experiences with the 8800GT card for Mac Pro. (1st Gen)
Well, I use Maya, Final Cut, Photoshop and Corel Paint at work and home. I upgraded the graphics card and to be honest found no different to the old card. I normally use HD for video and use extremely high resolutions for the concept artwork I do in Photoshop+Corel. I am a professional animator and concept artist for films.
Its buggy, extremely sluggish when you give it some serious work to do (not games- come on this is a Mac Pro not an Xbox) it sometimes freezes. There is NO way this is fit for release.
I am taking it out tomorrow and to be honest I am starting to think that Mac maybe loosing its quality edge. Concentrating on making things work before release is not a hard thing to do.

Radeon 3870 benchmarks
http://www.barefeats.com/harper18.html
Compared to the X1900, ATI seems to have better drivers. Might want to exchange it for the new Radeon 3870 - or not.
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http://www.barefeats.com/imp04.html
Legacy Mac Pro and 8800GT
http://www.barefeats.com/harper15.html
Graphic performance under Vista on Mac Pro
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NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Upgrade Kit for (1st Gen) Mac Pros - Now Available

As the header says: at the Apple Online Store. Who's gonna get one?
I've got an ATI x1900 and am curious to see if the 8800 offers any improvements. Unlike others, I've no complaints with my current card (but I am really dorky and give it a nice air-spray once a month to clear all that darned dust).
Keeping this as a question for feedback from folks...

Motion does not take advantage of the 8800GT, nor does the rest of the ProApps. Performance is slower than the X1900XT. I upgraded because my X1900XT was becoming useless, even with thorough cleaning it would consistently produce artifacts and completely hang Motion so I really had no other choice.
I really hope Apple comes through with drivers that will allow Motion and FCP to take advantage of it's considerably better power than the X1900XT, but for now - if you have a working X1900XT (you would be in a lucky minority it seems), stick with it.

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Would the apple wireless n airport card perform any better then the wireless N adapter I currently have?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320048&cm_re=asus_wirel ess_n-_-33-320-048-_-Product

What do you mean by "perform better?" If you mean are the operating specs any different? They are not. Furthermore, I don't think you can purchase a standard Apple airport card that fits in your model. When the wireless cards were available for your model they were not "n" capable, and they had to be installed by Apple. The Apple Extreme wireless cards being used today are mini-PCIe cards that do not fit the slot in your model.

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