ATI X800 XT 512MB on MDD dual boot dual 1.25Ghz.... possible?

Hi,
Just looking to see if I can install a Mac version of the ATI X800 XT 512MB on G4 MDD dual boot dual 1.25Ghz machine?
If so... great... I'll go pick it up straight away.
thanks
PS. I know it won't accelerate 9.2.2, but I already have the 9200 PCI card to accomodate that.

Just following up on japamac's excellent response.
ADC presents a seriously limitation on cards since the only two retail cards (no flashing, no fuss) on the market are the ATI 9600 and 9800, both without ADC.
I use a modified 9600 Pro from a G5, which has an unpowered ADC. Unpowered because the the ADC tab doesn't align, although some people have modified the card further to get power to the ADC port. For info on both of those mods, see:
http://www.pistolerapost2.com/viewing/96002g4.html
There is one last card -- extremely -- I can think of with ADC and more oomph than the retail 9600: the Apple OEM 9700. That was a BTO option for the MDD. Here's some info on that card:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/Radeon9700PROOEM/index.html
Again it's really rare because it wasn't available even as a BTO option for very long. They fetch a premium on the used market when you find them.
What ADC monitor do you have? I hope an LCD. In which case, something to consider is the Apple ADC-DVI adapter which will set you back $100. It's basically a kind of splitter, with a brink supplying power to ADC monitor while passing the signal from the DVI port. Yeah this adds to your costs, but gives you more options in terms of cards.
Oh more thing about 9.x acceleration which you mentioned. With ATI cards, you might need to pull an extension or library from the Extensions folder to keep 9.x from stalling at boot. I had to do that with my 9600. Sorry, I'm on my MBP now, so I can't tell you which ones. Let me know if you need/want to know which ones I pulled.

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