Audio Instrument Midi Channels

Hello, all. Can someone explain to me the pros and cons of having the MIDI channel for your audio instruments set to 1 as opposed to all All (or All as opposed to 1, for that matter)? I ask this because I was having some problems with a third party plug (Native Instruments' Reaktor 4); namely it was playing in one instrument track (1), but then when I would set up another track with another instance of the same plug, it wouldn't play at all on the new track. This was very odd because when I inserted a different plug on the second track, I WOULD hear the new plug. Anyway, to make a long story short, I noticed the MIDI channels of all my instruments were set to 1. I changed them to All, and everything is now working and I can hear all my instruments. However, I was (still am) wondering if I, perhaps, just detrimented myself in some manner I know not what by changing my intrument MIDI channels from 1 to All.
Any help on clearing this up would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much, one and all, for all the help and support.
Javier Calderon

Thank you very much for the response, Natural. I'm glad that as far as you know, midi channel 1 generally works well.
Interestingly enough, I actually have to manually set the midi channel to 1 (on all tracks other than inst 1, that is) because whenever I create an instrument, Logic seems to automatically assign the instrument to its corresponding midi channel - i.e. inst 1=midi 1, inst 2=midi 2, etc.
And what you said regarding some software instruments being sensetive to the midi channel you assign seems to be thoroughly correct. However, it seemed to be channel 1 that caused the bugaboo in my NI Reaktor plug. Setting the midi channels to All seemed to work well.
Thanks again.
Anyone else have any knowledge or advice to impart would be welcomed and appreciated.
Javier

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This is my first post here.
I use mostly Logic Pro 7 as a sound module with my keyboard. I have a song file in Logic that I made some time ago, where I've linked every audio instrument to a corresponding audio channel (same midi channel). All channels are in record mode, and thus every audio instrument is assigned a midi channel - and I can play different audio instruments by changing the midi channel on my midi keyboard.
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dingdangdawg wrote:
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