Audio Synch from Color back to FCP

I am sending a short sequence with 8 clips or so to color, adding a color fx to half of the clips, rendering all of the clips, inc. the ones without an effect added, and sending back to fcp. When I open the new color sequence, the audio is out of synch by a few seconds. Any ideas why?

Any ideas why?
Not really, but it has been a continuing problem. You're sure it is the audio that is out of sync, and not the video? (Just checking) There are a lot of complaints, especially with HDV about frame drift.
Best solution is to lift the audio from the previous timeline and paste it into the graded (from COLOR) sequence. Even when a mixed stereo final is part of the workflow, it almost never comes back the same, so most, if not all, users avoid sending and retrieving audio as part of the COLOR roundtrip. In my experience, even if it somehow mysteriously lands back in sync, the pan settings are all slammed over to one side.
So we all just pull the original audio forward from the previous sequence and Apple can go onward in its delusional mindstate.
jPo

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PROBLEM SOLVED "export clips from Color back into FCP & add transition"

If I have two clips that you cannot place a transition in between here is the only thing that worked for me.
I discovered this problem after I exported my movie clips from FCP 6 to Color and imported the color corrected files from Color back into FCP 6. I could no longer add transitions to any of my clips unless I made the following changes.
1. 1st check to see if the video clip has an audio track underneath it. If they are not linked Select the audio and the video track to be linked, hit Command "L" and you will see an underline under the audio and video name to show that they are now linked. Do the same for the adjoining video and audio track.
2. Next select all of the clips after the video clip you just selected by typing "tttt" this changes to the "Select All Tracks Forward Tool". Click on the track after the video track you just linked and it will select all of the tracks thereafter. Hit the "A" button to change back to the selection tool and move all of the selected tracks away from the previous video/audio track.
3. Next type "RR" this will change to the "Ripple" tool. Now click on end of the video track on the previous video clip and type -15 (for negative 15 frames). Then click on the beginning of other video clip to the right that you linked and type +15 (for plus 15 frames).
4. Type "tttt" to change back to the "Select All Tracks Forward Tool" the hit the "A" button to change back to the selection tool and drag all tracks back together again.
5. You may then drag and drop your transition in between both video clips.
I hope this helps someone...this is the only thing that worked for me!!!
Number1talent

I am working with mostly DVCPro ftg, with a few clips in MiniDV. I did have roughly 10 clips with speed changes, but they exported fine two weeks ago, when I did this the first time. (Actually, it didn't keep the speed changes, but it did export with media to FCP).
The clips do have reel numbers and seem to be of the right length per clip but there's just no picture and no assoicated media with which to relink the clip.
I'm on Color 1.5.3
Any possible ideas? Thank you for your help...

Send from Color back to FCP

At the point of sending color corrected files back to FCP from Color a window entitled "Send To Sequence Option" come up with the message: "Change graded Final Cut Pro sequence to match the Quicktime export codec?"
I'm using Apple Intermediate Codec in my FCP project and want to keep re-compression to a minimum. Being new to Color I'm not actually sure what is a stake here. If I press "No" does that mean my work within Color will be wasted or will if actually keep the color corrected footage in the Apple Intermediate Codec? I'm not anxious to switch codecs if I don't have to.
Anyone have info on this?

Stuart:
I am having the same trouble and am really mystified. I am working on an XDCAM EX 1080p24 35Mb timeline in FCP. I send all my files to Color, do corrections, and when I am ready to send my graded timeline back, I am asked whether or not to "change graded Final Cut Pro sequence to match the Quicktime export codec?"
Here's the mystery - if I click "yes", the sequence sent back to my browser in FCP is a 10 bit uncompressed sequence which will not play back smoothly for editing. Worse, if I click "no" the sequence comes back in what appears (according to sequence settings) to be an XDCAM EX 1080p24 35Mb timeline, but it also stutters, hesitates and won't play back, just like the 10 bit sequence, making editing impossible. (No rendering is necessary on this sequence when it is sent back from Color).
I have no problem playing the original XDCAM files on their timeline, but no matter what I do, I can't get my XDCAM files to come back to me graded from Color and play smoothly on their new sequence timeline even though Settings says it is exactly the same kind of timeline as the original.
Does anyone have any idea what is happening here and is there something I am doing wrong?
Thanks, Rick

Round Trip and Render issues - Color back to FCP

Graded, rendered, send to FCP. Looks good on the timeline, minor issues with some variable speed clips and sound (for some unknown reason) but i had duplicated timelines and was able to gather everything onto one timeline and each clip plays back fine, but i can't really get a good read thru, the timeline after about 5-7 secs will start to hold up. I think maybe its having a problem playing back the rendered files off the internal harddrive and the firewire 800 drives I use for capture scratchs. So I export a self-contained movie file and it won't play without stopping in either quicktime or FCP. I can't figure out what the problem may be or how to fix it. My next call is apple support but i figured maybe one of you esteemed gentleman may be able to see the tree in my forest. Thanks, Steve

Michael Trauffer wrote:
but i figured maybe one of you esteemed gentleman may be able to see the tree in my forest.
I see a lot of trees here, so I'll grab my chainsaw and start swinging away
I appreciate that, as here in south louisiana we keep our chainsaws oiled and ready to roll
Graded, rendered, send to FCP.
I follow you up to this point. I'm assuming you're using XDCAM EX footage?
Yes
Looks good on the timeline, minor issues with some variable speed clips and sound (for some unknown reason)
I should point out here that it's been documented on numerous occasions in this forum that Color doesn't necessarily play well with variable speed clips. The Color User Manual has a section on page 75 that shares some steps that should be performed before sending a sequence to Color. One of those steps is baking a variable speed clip into a quicktime movie.
Gotcha, I actually did that to solve that issue.
but i had duplicated timelines and was able to gather everything onto one timeline and each clip plays back fine,
Sorry, I can see how this can be confusing. What I meant to say that is when i had the weird audio issue (it sounded as if the stereo pair were out of sync with eachother, giving it a wierd audio reverb even though i could not visually identify from any information available on the timeline) I then overwrote those audio files and that fixed it. But all this was on the initial sequence timeline that i had loaded from color after the grading.
but i can't really get a good read thru, the timeline after about 5-7 secs will start to hold up.
Define "read thru". If the sequence is dropping frames, it sounds like a bandwidth issue with your scratch disks, or a hardware setup problem.
Yes dropping frames is exactly what it was doing...I am running a quad-core xeon with 2.8ghz, with 4 daisy-chained firewire 800 drives.
I think maybe its having a problem playing back the rendered files off the internal harddrive and the firewire 800 drives I use for capture scratchs.
How many drives do you have designated as capture scratches?
I have one folder on one of the 800 drives designated for this project. In color I chose a different 'render Directory' on the internal hardrive (i believe it was a default)
What specific drives are you using?
Lacie 500gb drives
If by "internal harddrive" you mean your system drive, this is a big no-no. I can only assume here, but I think you're working with ProRes material at this point. Depending on your specific Mac, the internal drive may not be up to the task. If you consider that that drive is running your entire OS, plus any open application, plus Final Cut Pro, plus accessing the render files, plus any other source material that you may have stored on that drive, you're asking that one drive to do a whole lot of work.
I get that. But should i change Color's render directory to somewhere in the project folder on the Lacie Drive?
So I export a self-contained movie file and it won't play without stopping in either quicktime or FCP.
A self-contained movie file of what?
The sequence.
How are you exporting?
FCP export > quicktime Movie > What are your sequence settings?
Xdcam 720p30 project settings based on xdcam clips, 1280 x 720
Open the file in Quicktime Player, and press Command I to open the Info Window. Make a note of the format information and post that information here.
I wish i could and I will when i get back to the office after dinner.
Chainsaws can get pretty heavy after a while. I'll take a break here and see if I hit anything of value.
I think you did...but confirm for me. Color's render directory, whats a better place for it? And thanks for the quick response it is duly appreciated.

Color back to FCP

I have been grading two films in Color, Shot in HDV, edited in HDV from FCP using multiclips (don't go there re Multiclips and color. Lots of prep needed before sending sequences to color) anyway. First film sent back to color no problem, second film send to color, export bar appears momentarily but no sign of the film in FCP! Can anyone explain?

Nelson Brann wrote:
A brilliant guy (Andrew Balis) told me to send my sequence to Color then send it right back to FCP before I do ANYTHING.
I'm not sure if I'm getting slightly off-topic.
Currently I suggest an additional step. After doing the roundtrip as Andrew suggests - follow up with a full render of the entire sequence and then send THAT back to FCP. I've had Send To fail after rendering that worked on a quick roundtrip - this additional step reveals quirky non-obvious problems.
It also came in useful once when Color crashed after a "real" render and lost the green render bars. Since I had kept that initial sequence in FCP I still had a good timeline referencing the rendered clips.
Just some thoughts that occurred while reading this thread...
- pi

Anamorphic from Motion back to FCP

Hi all...
quick question.....
tried to find the answer but no success....
I have a widescreen project on FCP, send a clip to motion to work on, motion being set to wide (anamorphic) as well, when I save and close the motion project and come back to FCP, the clip is a 4:3(not anamorphic) on my anamorphic sequence...
quite annoying......
Any one knows why?

no the flag doesn't disappear on its way to Motion, its on its way back to FCP that something wrong happens..
Sorry, in re-reading what I wrote, I understand that it could be misconstrued - I meant that the anamorphic flag of a Motion project in FCP isn't read correctly (and that is a known issue).
As Adam mentions, you can alter the Distort property. Or tag it as anamorphic in the Browser.

Sending from motion back to FCP

I highlight a sequnce or clip and SEND TO "Motion" and choose inbed content,
I make my effects and FILE<SAVE in motion and FCP reads a change. The video i sent was anamorfic DV 16/9. In motion I edited the fotage in 16/9 . when FCP reads the saved motion project it makes the clip squeeze to 4/3 in FCP. then i have to go into item properties and check the anamorfic box. Is there a setting that stops this switch of ASPECT RATIO's?
Does everybody have to do this when working in anamorfic DV?

I've heard this a number of times - You've just gotta set the anamorphic flag by hand. If you report it in FCP/Motion feedback, perhaps it'll get bumped up in priority...
Patrick

Media offline after sending back from color

Ok. I have searched around and not finding anything offhand, but I have not changed any default settings but I am getting media offline when I import back to FCP. I can find the location of the files and all but its giving me a hard time bringing media online.

I dragged and drop the file that came back from color.
Dragged and dropped? There is nothing to drag and drop. You SEND TO FCP from Color, then in FCP a new sequence shows up. Double click on that.
But I might be getting into semantics...you might be doing that but not explaining it well.
Trash your FCP prefs...
#44: FCP acting weird - Trash Prefs
Shane's Stock Answer #44: FCP acting weird or unusual. Just not like is normally should
If the program was working fine, and now isn't, or just isn't working the way it should, the first things to do are:
1) Trash your FCP preferences. Download the Preference Manager from Digital Rebellion: http://www.digitalrebellion.com/pref_man.htm
http://www.kenstone.net/fcphomepage/trashing_fcpprefs.html
2) Open the Disk Utility and Repair Permissions.
3) Shut down for 10 min. Go for a quick walk around the block and get SOME exercise today. Come back, turn on the computer and see how things are.
4) (optional) Do the Hokey Pokey and turn your self about. Results may vary.
Shane

Won´t send back to FCP

Hi everybody.
I have a big problem: When I´m done with my grading in Color, and has rendered, I go to " send to FCP"- it sends a xml file- but it doesn´t show up in FCP with the ( from Color)?? FCP doesn´t seem to read it?
I´m completely lost- I have used Color a lot with no problems so far. I changed my preferences just for the sake of having enough space for the render files- but that shouldn´t mess it up.
Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks- Adam Simonsen.

As I wrote i another post: my project concisted of many different sequences- the projectfile was 32 Mb- so it was actually huge. If i copied and pasted one of the sequences into a new clean project- then everything worked flawlessly- going from FCP to Color and back again. Don´t ask me why- maybe there is a limit of filesize- maybe the project got too big?? Even this doesn´t make so much sense. Thanks for good advice!

How to export STP tracks WITH edits, names, changes, envelopes back to FCP?

I sent my fcp sequence/movie to a STP multi-track project. Sweetened and edited my audio tracks in STP. All good. Now I need to export those changes back to my FCP sequence, NOT as long AIFF files, but with all the audio files that make up those tracks, with their cuts, handles, file names, and STP changes and envelopes, so that I can access them in FCP (where I must finish the project). It seems like the program should have been designed to do this... but I am hitting a brick wall. Please help. How can I achieve this?
I used conform, but it only seems to conform the STP project, NOT the FCP project to the new audio edits. I do what the manual says.
I tried exporting all tracks to AIFF and to open it within the FCP sequence, but it only gives me the option to open as a new sequence. The result is that the image sequence is correct, but the audio from STP is in long tracks with no edits, no file names, no envelopes, no handles.
Unfortunately I MUST finish my project in Final Cut Pro, and export OMF files for work in a professional FILM (not video) audio facility. They cannot use AAF files exported from STP. And STP doesn't export OMF files. It is NOT an option for me to finish my sound work in STP because of the film-specific facility where I must finish my soundtrack- which in the end goes to optical for use on a film reel.
Thank you for any help someone can give me !

That's one of things you simply cannot do. Conform is as close as it gets. But, you cannot export a STP in to FCP and maintain all the track info like you can the other way around. Part of the problem is that STP is referencing audio tracks FROM media crated in FCP. You'd have a situation where FCP is referencing audio from STP . . . that's referencing FCP audio. It doesn't work that way.
It's too bad the facility can't use the AAF file. That's the only real option.
Sorry.

FCP to STP back to FCP now video out of sync

I exported from FCP to STP via multitrack, did my audio edits, then exported back to FCP via xml import. Three video clips in FCP are now out of sequence (they are completely different, like they have different I/O points. These clips are only 1 second long .
Any ideas on why?

I hate when someone doesn't first search threads for answers before posting. That would be ME late last night. After searching, I don't find definitive answers to my issues.
I am using DV NSTC 48Khz preset in FCP.
The FCP Easy setup: Format NTSC, Rate (all rates)
In STP, Preferences, synchronization, frame rate is 30 non-drop. Is this correct?
What is 30/29.97/Drop Frame?
Could this cause my video clips to come back to FCP out of sync and have the wrong I/O points.
I would really like to use STP instead of just doing the sound in FCP.

Sending back to FCP

Once I have finished the render in Color and the render files are created exactly where and as they should be I send the sequence to FCP. When I open the (From Color) sequence in FCP it does not have the rendered clips from color, but the original clips completely ungraded. This is a new problem that I have just recently started experiencing and have no idea why?

Try another 'send to' fcp. Also, make sure you have the right sequence open in FCP. It may be obvious (but it might not) - it'll say "From Color"

Sending back to FCP from Color

I have been going nuts all day about this, I have a sequence with about 20 dissolves. It is about 1 minute 30 seconds long. I applied a very simple color fx called dream.cold.cfx. I got the clips to render, that was no problem. But when I "Send to Final Cut" it comes back correctly as a "Sequence_name (from color)" but the sequence is empty is is blank. The clips are in folders labeled 1,2 ,3, 4, etc. But it dosen't come back as a sequence in FC. help me, I read the manual, I look at the discussions. I looked at my render folder settings, etc.
I need help.... it's 11:00pm here in NY and I am tired and getting ready to hit the machine with a sledge hammer.

I am running latest version Mac OS 10.53, FCP 6, I have all the latest evrything. I tried exporting XML out of color. What I hav done is just pieced together the rendered clips from the color render folders and put the dissolves back on. But this shpouldn't happen. To tell you the truth I had it right the first time I did it, but I failed to apply the effect to a very small clip in the color sequence. So when I went back to the original FCP sequence that's when it hit the fan. I had the "send to FCP" corerct, but now it is just blank when I do it. I've done it hundreds of times, changing render folders etc. I have now just rerendered as a quicktime movie and did it that way.

Going back to FCP from Color...use original format or ProRes422?

OK, so I've color graded all 5 reels for my feature film and am finally ready to send back to FCP and reassemble! I'm hoping Shane Ross can jump in here too since he's been SO helpful up to this point :-) So I have two different formats which I've graded seperately...720p DVCPROHD stuff (99%) of film and two scenes which were HDV 1080p24. So far when I've sent back my DVCPROHD clips I've rendered out of Color using ProRes422..but my Resolution Presets: and Width & Height settings are what I'm most concerned with. What I've done when sending back to FCP is use Apple ProRes 422 with Width 1280 and Height 720 and changing my Resolution Preset from 720 x 576 DV PAL to 1280 x 720 HD to match the Width and Height settings (not sure if I should leave this at 720 x 576 DV PAL??). However, the clips show up in FCP as 133%..so obviously upscaled. So now I'm going to export the DVCPRO stuff to Compressor to upscale to ProRes422 1920x1080 to bring back and match with the HDV 1080p24 footage before FINAL export to compressor again. Should I not be sending the Color clips back to FCP upscaled to 133% with my Color settings...since I will then again be upscaling in Compressor? Or will it really make that much of a difference? And also, should I check the Broadcast Safe circle in Color when sending back to FCP? I didn't color correct with the Broadcast Safe on so should I now to be on the safe side?
Thanks!
David

Ok Shane, So actually just went over my Color outputs and I did render everything as ProRes 422 at 1280x720 ...and the clips back in FCP are scaled at 100% so that's good...for some reason I remember having some that came back at 133%...maybe that was just a couple clips somewhere that were wrong...I'll figure that out...but I didn't check Broadcast Safe on the renders so I guess I can go back and re-render with broadcast safe on...so we did shoot 720p HD and I AM going back still in HD from Color.
Now I'm having another issue with the HDV 1080p24 stuff...which is actually only 20 shots of the entire film. But for some reason I'm noticing that they are interlaced when viewing on my FCP timeline, which my settings are HDTV 1080i 1920x1080...now when I export the scene out to Compressor as a ProRes 422 1920x1080 .mov it actually looks great on my computer monitor...no interlacing that I can tell, looks great. However, if I drop it onto my FCP 1080i timeline then there is interlacing again...and worse, when I make a SD DVD it is also interlaced...most noticable an actor's shirt, there is a bit of Moire effect going on...this must be because I'm downconverting to 720x486?? So I've been killing myself trying to figure this one out. Doesn't appear that deinterlacing in Compressor helps any either. Is my only option to blur it out with a gaussian blur of around 2? (the HDV clips do show as 1080p24 in FCP) Not sure if the interlacing would be gone if I were to burn a bluray since it's a higher resolution?? My settings in FCP are 1920x1080 HDTV 1080i (16:9) Pixel Aspect: Square, Apple ProRes 422 BTW.
There's also quite a bit of color blurring when watching from a burnt DVD from DVD Studio Pro...wish it looked as good as it does on my LG LED 32" screen with Matrox mini...man, do DVD's really look this bad? REALLY considering going and buying an external BluRay burner today
So if I could just get this interlacing problem resolved somehow...

Sending files back from color to fcp 7, but experiencing issues

I have four sequences in a FCP 7 project. I sent three of them to color from FCP 7, completed my grading, rendered and sent back to FCP 7. I did the same for the fourth sequence; however, when I opened this sequence in FCP 7 it had over written one of the other timelines media into the same clip lengths as the one I just sent back. So it had media from another project, but with the same clip lengths as the I had just sent back from color. I have never experienced this before. I am working for an advertising agency and I am basically getting raw footage ready so that it can be send to an animation house who is going to be adding their animations, transitions and exporting the project. This project is on a tight deadline and need to figure this issue out quickly. Is this indiciative of corrupt files somewhere? If any one has had this issue please share how you rectified it.
Thanks.

Color renders out the files and gives them new names... g_1, g_2...and so on. If some of them are exactly the same length as another one that's labelled g_1...FCP could connect it to the wrong one and whammo, your issue.
The REEL numbers should transfer. But if your footage doesn't have reel numbers, then it will link by name and length often. Yeah...messed up.

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