Audio syncing problems w/ non-controllable device

I have some old 8mm camcorder tapes that I'm trying to capture in FCP. I have a digital 8 camcorder that's able to play back my old 8mm tapes and convert the analog video to DV within the camera, and send it via FireWire, just like with standard digital 8 tapes. The difference is that there's no timecode with the old analog 8mm tapes, so I have to change my device settings to "non controllable device." So the problem is that the audio doesn't seem to be sinking properly. When I play back the captured video, the audio is so glitchy, it's completely unintelligible.
The only solution I've come up with would be to first copy the old 8mm tapes to digital 8 tapes, and then capture the digital 8 tapes in FCP. But I would need my old analog 8mm camcorder for that, and I don't have it anymore.
I'm using FCP 5.1.4. Your suggestions are much appreciated.

iMovie uses a straight transfer of the muxed audio/video stream - the DV format.
This muxed version is a non-native format to FCP and requires rendering as you edit.
Converting to DV/NTSC (DV/PAL) Quicktime de-muxes the audio and video into separate streams. FCP is optimized to edit this Quicktime format without rendering.
Using DV is like trying to edit H.264 files. You can bring these non-native formats into FCP and the program will try to work with the material. However, they will cause problems. It is better to have the material in a FCP native format.
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