Automated audio level changes in PP6 now possible on a clip by clip basis?

Anyone know if PPro 6 now enables audio automation to be written on a clip basis rather than on the track? This was the one key feature missing for me when attempting to move from FCP7. I couldn't get my head around having the entire mix rendered useless by inserting a clip at the front of the edit .... waiting for this one - please tell me it's been done!
Best, Ken.

Jim Simon wrote:
Using keyframes is automating volume.
Well...in this context, "automating volume" refers to using the Touch, Latch and Write options of the audio mixer. If you set the keyframes yourself, that's more of a "manual" adjustment.
Well then, let's extrapolate from your statement. The instant that you start moving the "Automation Fader," you have made a manual adjustment.
There's no way to get to "automation" without doing some work, "manually."
The "real" automation is in the playback, irrespective of the method you used to get there.
(BTW, I think that rippling track automation is a damn good idea, and it should have always been there.)

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Here is another picture of my next edit.
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