Automatic management of Channel Strip Objects...

This is the function that automatically creates mixer objects (i.e. channels, auxes, etc) in Logic when you add tracks. Before I discovered it, Logic 8 drove me nuts trying to outthink me, because I have a very specific pre-configured mixer environment I use (I never use the track mixer view, only the environent view). This is because I have two Mackie controls, and I very much like my mixer set up in blocks of sixteen channels (otherwise the control surfaces become kind of arbitrary). I'm also not a big fan of the track mixer because having all the mixer channels oriented in a continuous horizontal fashion gets really silly when you're doing a 56-channel mix (with 20 or so auxes to the right of that!)
Oh yes, my issue...
Even with the "Automatic Management of Channel Strip Objects" checkbox unchecked, Logic still insists on creating new aux objects in the environment when I set up a send. This is annoying and confusing, because dry sound gets routed to the main 1-2 bus (and occasionally confusing, because my default mixer is very large, so the new aux gets put somewhere where you don't immeditely see it).
Hence Logic needs a new command:
"I really, really don't want you to automatically create audio objects for me, I was really serious about it when I unchecked the Automatic Management of Channel Strip Objects checkbox, I am smart enough to handle it on my own, if I wasn't I'd use Garageband, or some other app that doesn't have the word Pro in it"
Maybe something a little shorter would suffice... or just make the Automatic Management of Channel Strip Objects checkbox work properly :>)
Mitchell

well, i work with a static environment layer and the track mixer for years now. this gives me the flexibility i need.
i need the track mixer for the control surface and i like to only see the channels i have in the arrange here. anything else will just waste channels on the control surface.
in addition to this i use a static environment layer for effect returns and stuff like that.
i work with a lot of hardware and this setup of track mixer and environment has been very helpfull when working.
i programmed my control surface so that i can switch between these two with a push of a button.
this is really fast and easy to work with.
maybe this stupid auto toggle back on thing is a bug. i'll writa a bug report and hope they fix it soon.
thanks anyway

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I don't know if there is but I do know there's a WAY to make it happen. One way around the sound change automation idea is to record your guitar performance then copy it on another track. Two tracks of the same performance, You after all have 255 tracks available so space isn't an issue. Assign one set of guitar settings to one track and a different set to the other then decide where in the song "track one" plays and where in the song "track two" plays. You can do this using a volume automation or even cutting parts you don't want to play. Done correctly it will sound like one track with a sound change at the correct times and one advantage of doing this is you can have both tracks play at the same time or even run them in stereo. (One in the left speaker and one in the right)
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Thanks very much; I'm still perplexed though. You're right, the "mono->stereo" plug-ins yield stereo effects for the guitar; but I'm referring to the pre-assembled "sets" of plug-ins that are accessed by clicking on the word "inserts" (above the various slots for plug-ins). When you click on this word, all sorts of effects-sets are offered: for drums, vocals, pianos, guitars, etc. I'm referring to one for "electric guitar" (under "distorted guitar") called "Angus on SG + MS 1959" (though this is true of the other effects in this same category for electric guitar). Here's why things don't make sense to me: 1) since this effects-set ("Angus...") works just fine if it's applied AFTER I've recorded the guitar dry, why should it NOT work when I'm recording with the effect? I.e., I don't need a special double guitar plug for my Firepod for the effect to work on the signal it HAS recorded; so why should the special double plug be necessary WHILE recording? Meanwhile, 2) given that this is a GUITAR effect (Angus Young playing his Gibson SG through a 1959 Marshall Stack), and guitars always have mono output, then how can it be that Logic, by design, should require users to buy a special stereo plug when using effect-sets specifically designed for guitar? .... That's why I'm perplexed. I do think your two suggestions will work; but it just seems impossible to me that Logic is actually designed to work in this way -- at least not on purpose. On the other hand, I'm a newbie, and I may be missing something that's obvious. Sure would appreciate hearing whether it seems to people that there's a problem with my set-up (or with Logic), or whether the physical stereo-plug solution is actually a well-known practice that I am simply not familiar with. Many thanks!
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sblipson wrote:
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sblipson wrote:
But when the pitch bend messages I'm sending are coarse detune, I'm getting zip...nada...nuttin -- even when I have set the pitch bend range for the instrument on the channel strip set to 12.
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I love logic!...but some of the terminology is so obviously confusing it boggles me. Can someone please clarify...and I do mean clarify some of this confusion.
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I love logic!...
I don't know how you can love it with this question and passion, but onward we go at the risk of responding to flame bait...
Arrange tracks...are not the same as channel
tracks?...Arrange tracks have a channel setting which
selects a "track"...The arrange track # and channel
track# have nothing to do with each other.Tracks are
associated...or should I say...can be linked to(but
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I am not going to open up my manual and look up every term used but the 'confusion' would stem from the fact that Logic (and all DAWs) are both the mixer and media (aka the Tape). In traditional multitrack recordings that went from mixer to tape (Tracking) and then back from tape to mixer (to 2 track- tape again during Mixdown) a Channel was on the mixing board and a Track was on the tape deck. Many times you could mix the two and people would still know what you were talking about if the statement was obvious, but that is where we get those two terms.
Since Logic is BOTH, the meanings get a little blurred. However, some of the confusion is taken away as if you record onto "Track 1" you would have to do so via Channel 1 (although not necessarily through Input 1). On split mixing desks you could track the vocal through channel 8, record it onto tape track 10 and mix it down through channel 16. DAWs don't really give you that option and you can actually see what is recorded on what channel/track etc.
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Does an audio object need to be assigned to a
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When the audio object is in the arrange window, it has is own 'track' that is to its right.
Are they essentially the same thing. or can
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If anyone has any thoughts on what's happenening, or a possible way to resolve this, I'd be very grateful!
Cheers,
Mike

Hi all,
I've just had a chance to check out a Friend's installation of LPX - it seems that what I have described above is the way LPX handles presets... rather than showing the categories and sub-categories when you click on the "Settings" button in a channel, this is all now managed within the library.
Hope this is of help to anyone else coming from an earlier version of Logic Pro!
Cheers,
Mike

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