Automating Business Process.. should we go for BPEL??

Dear All,
I hope you help me in this:
We need to automate all the business processes exists at the work. Currently we are using Oracle database and Oracle Forms and Reports to build all our applications.
The developers are excellent at SQL and PL/SQL. There is not any knowledge about Java or any other programming language.
Should we go for Oracle BPEL to automate our business processes? Could it be used from Oracle Forms??? Or it needs to be used from other development Oracle tools such as JDeveloper??
I hope you help me in this
Emad

The idea is to automate everything. I am working in a university, so, there are many bunisess process such as:
1. Hiring New Employee: starting from the request of hiring the new employee up to the approving of hiring and signing the contract with this new employee.
2. Student Process: such as request to drop registered course, enrolling a closed course because of a special conditions... etc
3. Employees Requests: could be software/hardware maintenance request, could be electrical maitenance...etc
The nice thing that we (as IT department) has worked with the Quality unit at my work and we have documented every business process. So, now we know every business process from it will start and where it will end.
Now, we need to automate this. There is a debation that our developers should develop this system. I have said NO, there are Workflow Engines exist in the IT world and we have to study them and choose the best one for our needs.
We are using Oracle Database and Oracle Forms and Reports. We have excellent working experience in SQL and PLSQL.
Honestly, I have been thinking of Oracle Workflow, but Oracle BPEL beckons me.
Therefore, I am posting this thread for the sake of help from experts here who already has an excellent experience in this
Waiting for your participations..
Thanks

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Dear All,
I hope you help me in this:
We need to automate all the business processes exists at the work. Currently we are using Oracle database and Oracle Forms and Reports to build all our applications.
The developers are excellent at SQL and PL/SQL. There is not any knowledge about Java or any other programming language.
Should Oracle Workflow be used to automate our business processes? Could it be used from Oracle Forms? or any other Oracle tools in general?
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I hope you help me in this
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Therefore, I am posting this thread for the sake of help from experts here who already has an excellent experience in this
Waiting for your participations..
Thanks

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Re: What is a Business Process Expert?

Hello all,
Maybe we should open the discussion a bit beyond a "Human Centric" BPX. The main theme after all IS "The Business Process". There are hundreds, possibly thousands of Business Processes depending upon whether you categorize as micro or macro processes. Any one of these either on a micro/macro level function with or without human beings and may utilize machines that assist or automate value added activities/processes which produce higher value service or products in the age old scenario [input > process > useful output & waste output].
When we talk about Expert or Expertise, we are talking about precise know-how, and narrow domain knowledge wether depth or breadth knowledge.
Referring back to a post by Luis Rincones, regarding ideas and concepts leading to BPX, automation of the business process should be the KEY focus of a BP engineer. Back in the late 80's early 90's, we referred to these BP engrs. as "Knowledge Engineers" and their principal goals were to interview "Experts" in order to extract expert knowledge (sometimes 20+ years of experience) and understand not only the flow of the process, but more importantly the RULES which govern all exceptions and variations encountered within the process, as well as "rules of thumb" in case the RULES don't apply.
This is something which if we are truly to orient our Enterprise SOA architecture towards the goals of BPX mentioned above, will require a common "Rule Based Engine", which lives across all domains of knowledge, Objects, & environments, and works together with the design & development environment for the xAPP (I like to refer to them as "Expert Applications") and thereby enable not only the integration and homogenization of input data (via the technology stack), but also integrate the application of logic via a common rule based engine. In this way, E-SOA can also be enabled on the "useful" outbound process enabling services (actions) which mediate/manage/automate the process back to prescribed operating parameters.
Of course, people can not be eliminated from the process. Lexus factory in Korea back in 2002 operated with approx. 60 or so people, 150 robots, and produced >300 units per day. People were mostly involved in QA and deviation functions.
Automating the Business Process optimizes the output:input ratio and should minimize the waste:useful output ratio. By doing so, the ROI, ROA, and operating margins are maximized and competitive advantage gains against other not so able competitors.
Any one else has a few words on this?

You raise a very important and interesting question regarding whether there is any framework for narrowing down the domain of a Business Process Expert.
There are many frameworks out there:
http://www.bpmg.org/8omega.php
http://www.prosci.com/tutorial-design-mod1.htm
http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/2004/volume08issue04/art11_collaboration/p01_abstract.htm
From my experience, it is beneficial to focus on a critical "life support" process for the corporation. Many times this can be started at the top level COO for instance, asking what is the # 1 thing which causes issues with customers, collections, services, etc.. One such item is "contract to cash" and specific sub-components of this process such as "unbilled hours" which if corrected prior to billing issuance will result in more accurate Invoices, and collections. An improvement of this nature shortens the cycle time of billing to collection, or hour entry to billing calculation, and with improved accuracy increases cash flow and lowers cost per transaction.
What you are suggesting in terms of Media expert, etc.. is more associated with Roles which are aligned with Solution Scenarios within SAP. Business Processes may span many roles, and are critical to the application being developed.
I believe this is the purpose of BPM, but would welcome any further comments from colleagues regarding framework.
Please take a look at the following BLOG as well as Lakshmikanth does a very good job explaning the landscape:
/people/lakshmikanth.adiraju/blog/2006/09/19/soa-bpm-business-applications-netweaver-happy-customer
Message was edited by: Fermin Iduate

What's a Business Process, really?

Hello,
in the thread BPX? A Techno functional Consultant? suggested to me her weblog <a href="/people/marilyn.pratt/blog/2006/07/27/what-is-a-business-process-really's a Business Process, Really?</a> for some clues, and added it's now the time to start a thread and expand about this topic.
Effectively there are some helpful definitions in the Wiki FAQ page. Nevertheless I think a discussion about the concept of Business Process is absolutely worth. So your contribution is welcome!
Cheers, Davide

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Analysing BPs is like looking at a fractal. As you zoom in there is more detail that contains more processes.
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