Automating RAW file conversion to Photoshop with Smart Object Layer

Hi
Can anyone tell me if it is possible to automate an action (and the steps) to open a series of photos from their raw file state to a Photoshop file with a smart object layer. I have tried **** this... recording an action without success... it ends up creating a photoshop file with a background layer, no smart object layer.
Am i missing something obvious? Thanks for your help!
Regards bruce

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