Autonomous vs LWAPP access point

I am new to these 2 terms.
What's the main difference between autonomous and LWAPP access point?
Autonomous AP can work on it's own, while LWAPP need to be used with WNC?
If I need to deploy an wireless enironment, I should use LWAPP, right?

The main difference is autonomous do not require a controller to control the AP and it use WLSE for management software; the LWAPP require a WLC wireless controller to control all of the AP but provide ease of management for the communication / setting between APs, it use another management software call WCS.
If you will deploy many APs, LWAPP will be better for easier management. If only a few APs, autonomous is fine because do not require additional WLC.
LWAPP info. :
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns340/ns394/ns348/ns337/networking_solutions_white_paper0900aecd802c18ee.shtml
Hope this helps.

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Hi Scott,
Thanks for your reply...me and abinaya with in same team
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Hello,
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Ok I now understand why I am not seeing any SSID's
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management                       1    2        10.45.50.110    Static No     No
service-port                     N/A N/A      10.44.48.214    Static No     No
virtual                          N/A N/A      1.1.1.1         Static No     No
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Hello, I need to know if exist any procedure to convert Autonomous to LWAPP access point with Cisco Prime 2.2.

Here are the Steps Cristian.
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Step 1 Choose Design > Configuration > Wireless Configuration > Autonomous AP Migration Templates .
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We have initially installed IOS-based 1130 APs. If we would be upgrading it to LWAPP mode, could we pushed IOS-to-LWAPP upgrade thru the network? what procedures are required?

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http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note09186a008072d9a1.shtml
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http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/access_point/ios/release/notes/b311jx1.html
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Cisco Aironet 1240AG Series access points
Cisco Aironet 1230AG Series access points
Cisco Aironet 1200 Series access points that contain 802.11g (AIR-MP21G-x-K9) and/or second-generation 802.11a radios (AIR-RM21A-x-K9 or AIR-RM22A-x-K9)
Cisco Aironet 1130AG Series access points
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Cisco Aironet 1300 Series Access Points/Bridges (AIR-BR1310G-x-K9 or AIR-BR1310G-x-K9-R). A Cisco Aironet 1300 Series operating in Lightweight Access Point Protocol (LWAPP) mode only operates as an access point. This series does not support LWAPP bridging mode.
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http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns340/ns394/ns348/ns337/networking_solutions_white_paper0900aecd804f1a23.shtml
Cisco Aironet Access Point Support for Lightweight Access Point Protocol
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6521/prod_bulletin0900aecd80321a2c.html
Upgrading Autonomous Cisco Aironet Access Points to Lightweight Mode
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http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps430/prod_technical_reference09186a00804fc3dc.html
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http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6521/prod_bulletin0900aecd80321a2c.html
Guidelines and Tools for Migrating to the Cisco Unified Wireless Network
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns340/ns394/ns348/ns337/networking_solutions_white_paper0900aecd804f1a23.shtml
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http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6521/products_configuration_example09186a00806a426c.shtml
LWAPP Upgrade Tool Troubleshoot Tips
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note09186a008072d9a1.shtml
Also, 5 points for Eric! For all your great work here lately.
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Rob

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http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6366/prod_release_note09186a00806e8989.html#wp147320
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http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note09186a008072d9a1.shtml
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All modular 1200 series access points running Cisco IOS software and containing these supported radios:
802.11g: MP21G, MP31G
802.11a: AIR-RM21A-x-K9, AIR-RM22A-x-K9
All 1300 series access points in access point mode
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/access_point/ios/release/notes/b311jx1.html
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Cisco Aironet 1240AG Series access points
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Cisco Aironet 1300 Series Access Points/Bridges (AIR-BR1310G-x-K9 or AIR-BR1310G-x-K9-R). A Cisco Aironet 1300 Series operating in Lightweight Access Point Protocol (LWAPP) mode only operates as an access point. This series does not support LWAPP bridging mode.
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http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns340/ns394/ns348/ns337/networking_solutions_white_paper0900aecd804f1a23.shtml
Cisco Aironet Access Point Support for Lightweight Access Point Protocol
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6521/prod_bulletin0900aecd80321a2c.html
Upgrading Autonomous Cisco Aironet Access Points to Lightweight Mode
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps430/prod_technical_reference09186a00804fc3dc.html#wp157147
Hope this helps!
Rob

Wireless Access Points Specs.

Hello guys,
i need to ask about the different between SAP vs LAP vs CAP ( Wireless Access Points )
thanks in advanced
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Hope this helps:
SAP=Standalone (Autonomous AP)
LAP=LWAPP Access Point
CAP=Capwap Access Point
Q. What is CAPWAP?
A. In controller software release 5.2 or later, Cisco lightweight access points use the IETF standard Control and Provisioning of Wireless Access Points protocol (CAPWAP) in order to communicate between the controller and other lightweight access points on the network. Controller software releases prior to 5.2 use the Lightweight Access Point Protocol (LWAPP) for these communications.
CAPWAP, which is based on LWAPP, is a standard, interoperable protocol that enables a controller to manage a collection of wireless access points. CAPWAP is being implemented in controller software release 5.2 for these reasons:
To provide an upgrade path from Cisco products that use LWAPP to next-generation Cisco products that use CAPWAP
To manage RFID readers and similar devices
To enable controllers to interoperate with third-party access points in the future
LWAPP-enabled access points can discover and join a CAPWAP controller, and conversion to a CAPWAP controller is seamless. For example, the controller discovery process and the firmware downloading process when you use CAPWAP are the same as when you use LWAPP. The one exception is for Layer 2 deployments, which are not supported by CAPWAP.
You can deploy CAPWAP controllers and LWAPP controllers on the same network. The CAPWAP-enabled software allows access points to join either a controller that runs CAPWAP or LWAPP. The only exception is the Cisco Aironet 1140 Series Access Point, which supports only CAPWAP and therefore joins only controllers that run CAPWAP. For example, an 1130 series access point can join a controller that runs either CAPWAP or LWAPP whereas an 1140 series access point can join only a controller that runs CAPWAP.
For more information, refer to the Access Point Communication Protocols section of the configuration guide.

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