AVC-Intra to Prores- or not?

I have a project that was shot AVC-Intra.
Can I use the native codec or should I convert files to prores 422?

AVCIntra NATIVE is an option in Log and Transfer. The issue is that there are no AVCIntra sequence settings. You'd have to use ProRes...so why not encode to ProRes so there is no rendering while editing?
You cannot use Compressor on P2 media...you have to bring it in via Log and Transfer.
Shane

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AVC INTRA CODEC is not working

Im using a dual 2.5 GHz Power PC G5 8GB ram OSX 10.4.11 and FCP studio 2 w/all the latest
updates.
I get a WARNING " AVC-intra codec is unsuported on PPC" when I try to log and transfer
a avc 100 file from my 32GB P2 card .
I downloaded the codec from panasonic but its not working.
I read that it need to have an intel based mac, is this true?

*I read that it need to have an intel based mac, is this true?*
Application-Specific Requirements
Final Cut Pro
Capturing HD resolution video using the ProRes 422 format requires a Mac Pro with an Intel Xeon processor or a G5 Quad computer and a qualified third-party capture card.
*AVCHD support is only available on Intel based Macs.*
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/specs.html

AVC Intra Codec QT not playing

Hi, I just received footage in QT from a third party that I can't seem to play, neither on FCP or QT. The footage is in AVC Intra 100M Codec, I've downloaded the Panasonic P2 AVC Intra Codec, but still....no luck. Any ideas? Should I use compressor? I'm running FCP 6....
Thanks.
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You need at least FCP 7 to see the AVCIntra QT codec. Otherwise, you need the people to convert it to ProRes.
Sock

Apple avc-intra codec?

Hey there, I just got some quicktime .movs that will not open on my mac. The codec is Apple AVC-Intra. Final Cut wont recognize it, nor does quicktime. I'm running FCP 6.06 and Quicktime 10 on Snow Leopard. I've found a codec but only for older versions of FCP. I believe the footage was shot on an HVX300.
Usually when I get this codec, i think its from P2 cards, which log n transfer works with. But these are in quicktime movie form, like they have been transcoded already.

Sorry, that codec is only available with FCP 7. You will have to get the client to injest the footage as ProRes, or get the originals to you so that you can do the same.
I find it odd for people to choose that codec anyway, as FCP doesn't have sequence settings for that one...not even in FCP 7.
shane

Avc-intra ingesting problem ou may be just confusion....

I'm using this new HPX-300 with the AVC-INTRA 100 codec. And when i import the content using log and transfer (final cut 7!!!) with avc-intra native plug-in, all that, to apple ProRes 422 hq compression the size of the video is like 14 mb/s is that right (and the video is full of color and complex)? and the quality doesn't look so good too, but this i fink is because of my computer.... AND THE INFORMATION OF THE VIDEO IN THE INFO WINDOW (more info part) IS SAYING:
DIMENDION 1920x1080 --> this is ok but....
CODEC: AI16, LINEAR PMC, TIMECODE ---> why not apple Pro Res 422 (hq) ???
COLOR PROFILE:HD (1-1-1) ---> This should't be 4-2-2 ?!?!?!?!?!
DURATION: 02:44
TOTAL BIT RATE: 116,254
SIZE: 2.39gb
If some one can explain to me who does this work i apreciate!
And before all Tanks for sharing.
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Message was edited by: Gustavo AVC-intra

When you import AVCIntra into FCP 7, you have many MANY options. To see these options you need to go into the Log and Transfer preferences, located in the sprocket drop down menu. You can import as AVCI Native, or ProRes, ProRes HQ, ProRes LT, ProRes Proxy, Apple Intermediate Codec... Now when you say that the codec is AI16...that might be Apple Intermediate, not ProRes. Go back and make sure the preferences for that codec are set right.
the video is like 14 mb/s is that right (and the video is full of color and complex)?
It is because the video is HD and complex...yes. To get the footage to an EDITABLE format that FCP can decode and encode, you need to go ProRes, and yes, it can have a higher data rate than AVCI Native.
and the quality doesn't look so good too, but this i fink is because of my computer....
That is because computer monitors do not show you full quality. And FCP doesn't either. It lowers the resolution in order to play back all the frames. To see the full quality you need a capture device and a high quality monitor.
Shane

HELP! AVC Intra 100

I received a hard drive with some Quicktimes that are in AVC-Intra 100 format.
So I went to the Panasonic site and downloaded the decoder.
But in QT player I only get audio, and in FCP Log and transfer I get "unsupported media or invalid directory structure"
I am running FCP 6.0.6, OSX 10.4.11, Intel 8 Core
From what I gather I have 2 choices:
-Bring the drive to a fully up to date suite, using FCP7 and convert all the clips to ProRes
-Get the P2 cards copied with their file structure intact to a drive, then do a Log and Transfer
Is there any other way I can deal with the videos?
Thanks

You need to "get the P2 cards copied with their file structure intact to a drive, then do a Log and Transfer."
If I recall correctly, the native AVCINTRA100 QT players only work within FCP, and cannot be played separately.
Not certain but that's what I thought.

FCP 7 is supposed to work with AVC Intra 50 and 100.... BUT

Ok this one is very strange. You can log AVC Intra 100 (from a Panasonic P2 HD cam) in its native AVC Intra 100 format.... but here comes the great puzzle....
There is no Setting in the Sequence Settings drop down menu to match that??????? Did Apple forget to put that specifik codec there or what?
So what you get is a Sequence that has to be ProRes but your footage is AVC Intra...
OK you lost me on this one....

Yes Codec wise the MXF files are an I-frame H264 MPEG 4 compression - but that is not what I uppose against.
Its Apple banging the big drum saying, that now FCP 7 works naitivly with AVC Intra both 50 and 100.
AND.... thats NOT true. Anyhow... its not logical that you dont have a Apple AVCIntra codec choise in your sequence settings.
YES I know to set the Sequence settings for ProRes... But that I have done for 2 years now and had to wait for FCP to transcode the AVCIntra MXF files to ProRES....
Now I have to wait for my sequence to render all the time, and I dont think thats a great trade off - more like a pain in the but

Anyone used AVC-Intra 50 or 100 successfully?

I'm trying to play AVCIntra 50 clips on my timelinme but they need to be rendered. Is this right? Do AVC-Intra clips that are in a project that is created to be AVC-Intra 50 need to be rendered ? Shouldn't they play without rendering?
Has anyone been able to do this?
Thanks

Yes Codec wise the MXF files are an I-frame H264 MPEG 4 compression - but that is not what I uppose against.
Its Apple banging the big drum saying, that now FCP 7 works naitivly with AVC Intra both 50 and 100.
AND.... thats NOT true. Anyhow... its not logical that you dont have a Apple AVCIntra codec choise in your sequence settings.
YES I know to set the Sequence settings for ProRes... But that I have done for 2 years now and had to wait for FCP to transcode the AVCIntra MXF files to ProRES....
Now I have to wait for my sequence to render all the time, and I dont think thats a great trade off - more like a pain in the but

AVC INTRA 100 INGESTED CLIPS SHOWING MYSTERIOUSLY LOW DATA RATES

Just finished my first P2 chroma key shoot using AVC Intra 100. I have ingested and transcoded using log and transfer using Pro Res 422 HQ (we shot 1080 25p) Each clip is showing a data rate of around 20mbps, yet the white paper on Pro Res suggests 200mbps data rates. Even the AVC intra files are showing data rates of around 20mbps-despite the 100mbps AVC Intra- IHow come the files are showing such low data rates? How come they are not reading 200mbps??? What did I do wrong or what am I not understanding about data rates??? Thanks

Before all Hi Tom Hi Klaus and Hi String
i was looking at the forum for some one that has having the same problem than i and found it!
I'm using this new HPX-300 with the AVC-INTRA 100 codec. And when i import the content using log and transfer (final cut 7!!!) with avc-intra native plug-in, all that, to apple prores 422 hq compression the size of the video is like 14 mb/s is that right? and the quality doesn't look so good too, but this i fink is because of my computer.... AND THE INFORMATION OF THE VIDEO IN THE INFO WINDOW (more info part) IS SAYING:
DIMENDION 1920x1080
CODEC: AI16, LINEAR PMC, TIMECODE ---> why not apple Pro Res 422 (hq) ???
COLOR PROFILE:HD (1-1-1) ---> This should't be 4-2-2 ?!?!?!?!?!
If some one can explain to me who does this work i apreciate!
And all ways Tanks for sharing!
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AVC-Intra transcoding

got some AVC-Intra footage. My log/transfer settings are set to transcode to ProRes 422 HQ but should I use the non-HQ? Obviously I want to keep the best picture but am more concerned with unnecessary large files.

ProRes 422 should be just fine.
However, if you are working in FCP7, you can natively import and edit AVCIntra.
Why not do that and then export to whatever ProRes variant you want?

Final Cut Studio 2 and avc-intra

I am using Final Cut Studio 2 and am having trouble with .mxf files. I downloaded the avc-intra decoder drive from Panasonics site and a majority of the files ended 3/4 of the way through with sever audio noise at the end. I sent the drive back to the cameraman to see if he had better luck, turns out he did... Though I saw that he was using Final Cut Studio 3 and the quicktime files he provided back were formatted as AVC-Intra 100M...which is neither playable in quicktime or editable in Final Cut Studio 2.
What am I missing? Time to upgrade? What can I do in the meantime.
Thanks for the ideas!

Well, you can't use the file he sent unless you upgrade. But if you get the card dumps back, you should be able to LOG AND TRANSFER to ProRes on your system fine. Or was that the issue? They had garbage at the end?
Trashing preferences fixes a lot of FCP oddities.
Shane

Export of 1920x1080 AVC Intra footage jumpy

I have edited an HD project in FCP and exported the entire project as an FCP quicktime file and then brought that into Motion. Having applied all the text and behaviors to that text, when I try to export the clip it jumps.

Thank you for links, but I have to disagree again. Maybe quicktime blending fields (gamma interpreting is not an issue right now), but it clearly shows differencies in interlaced structure. I understand, that it is quite complicated to demonstrate the problem on a progressive monitor, but I can still see a serious problem how PPro handles AVC-Intra 50 footage. Let's make a test in a robust way - playing back the same footage via camera and capturing the footage via SDI capture at the same time. I'm expecting the same results, but it's clearly not. I cannot upload the image here, but here is the link - compare yourself: http://www.upload.ee/image/3378712/compare.jpg
Maybe for someone it's comparing apples and oranges, but you can see the serious problem when you exporting the footage to progressive format. Here is the deinterlaced result: http://www.upload.ee/image/3378721/compare-deint.jpg

Panasonic AVC Intra codec and FCP 2

Does anyone know if the latest version of FCP supports the new AVC Intra codec found on the higher-end Panasonic P2 HD cameras? We're a production house, and are considering investing in the Panasonic AJ-HPX3000 P2 HD camera, which is starting to ship this month. I know FCP Studio 2 supports the ProRes 422 codec; I'm wondering if we would have to convert the footage from the HPX3000 to ProRes 422 so it could be edited in FCP, and how long that process would take. Thanks!

If the camera does component or sdi out, you can use a Kona3 or io hd to convert to ProRes422 during real time playback.
x

Black screen while using x264 with AVC Intra 100

Hey,
I've got Premiere Pro CS6 and I've started testing the use of x264 with Dxtory. The problem I face is that the footage is incompatible with every sequence preset (as far as I know) apart from AVC Intra 100 (AVC Intra 100 1080p 30fps is the one I'm trying to use). However when I use this preset all that the preview gives me is a black screen wheras the audio is playing perfectly. This isn't urgent as it's always possible to just convert the footage to MP4 with Handbrake however not being able to use this codec would be a shame, especially since I've seen others using it without any problems at all.
Thanks,
Lawrie

I'm not familiar with x264 or Dxtory, but a search of the forum for "x264" and "black" led to this thread: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4733946#4733946.
Which leads me to ask: what is the extension of the file? A little research on Dxtory leads me to suspect that it's an .avi. According to the thread above, Premiere does not support x264 content in an AVI wrapper.

AVC-Intra help, please:-)

Please Help me.
I have big problems with AVC-Intra 100, when I select sequence AVC-Intra 720p 25p inside CS4 Premiere 4.2.1 and drag some clip onto the timeline it becomes red and all 4 sound tracks are completely empty of sound without any peak drew up. Then out of nowhere without any reason, some of it appears, some of the sound and then completely disappear again (randomly).
The video is also not playing without stuttering and without all frames intact (25frames/sec) more like 12frames/sec???
All this is the same when I try to render out a master, stuttering video and no sound.
When I look at the same files inside my HPX301 the files are playing just fine with perfect sound so it’s not the recorded files that are wrong.
System mode: 720-50p.
Rec Format: AVC-I 100 /25pn.
This computer is flying with big, big complex projects of 10 bits Cineform files so it’s not the computer that can’t handle it (this is with CS3 Premiere 3.2 on another disk thougt).
Now is CS5 better to handle the AVC-Intra codec then CS4?
My computer setup:
Processor: Intel i7920.
Motherboard: Asus P6T Deluxe V2.
Ram: Corsair 12GB 1600MHz.
C drive: Intel SSD G2 80GB with Windows Vista64 Ultimate.
Raid Card: Adaptec 3085.
Raid Disk: 4 x 1000GB in a raid 5 for video with Adaptec.
Graphic card: ATI/AMD 5870
Best Regards
Mikael

I use "CS4 Premiere 4.2.1", so is there any solution on this in CS4 or is CS5 better to handle AVC-Intra????
Regards
Mikael

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