AVCHD and DV

If I use ClipWrap2 to rewrap AVCHD media to QuickTime, then use MPEG Streamclip to convert it to the Apple Intrrmediate Codec at 29.97fps with uncompressed 48k audio can I edit it with footage shot at the same event on minidv?
If I can, will there be a significant difference? Can the client tell the difference?
Please advise.
Thank you in advance

If you only have the MTS files from the AVCHD camcorder then yes you do need ClipWrap or MPEG Streamclip. Sometimes outside videographers only give you the MTS files instead of the entire AVCHD folder from their camcorder. If you only get MTS files then the only way for you to get the video into QuickTime/Apple Intermediate Codec form is to use Clipwrap or perhaps MPEG Streamclip - but you do not need to use both programs.
If your videographer gives you the entire memory card from his/her AVCHD camcorder then as long as you have a memory card reader (SD card readers are built into some Macs) you can use FCE to import the video from the card same as if you were importing directly from an AVCHD camcorder.
If you have an AVCHD camcorder you can connect it to your Mac via USB and use the Log & Transfer feature in FCE to import the video directly from the camcorder into FCE. In this case, FCE will take care of transcoding the video into QuickTime/Apple Intermediate Codec.
The problem with mixing AVCHD and DV footage is that they use different codecs, different resolutions and different aspect ratios. AVCHD will be 16:9 but DV will be 4:3. When you combine them in a sequence you will be faced with a number of decisions & tradeoffs as to which will be your primary video type.
For example, you said you wanted to use the DV camcorder for wide shots. But you will then have to enlarge (scale up) the DV video in order to cover the full 16:9 frame of the AVCHD video. When you do this you will lose sharpness. So, if you are using multiple cameras it is best that they all shoot the same kind of video (AVCHD) and use the same settings (frame size, frame rate, white balance, etc).

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