B&W G3 9.2.2 upgrade to Panther

Hi, i am going to upgrade a 350MHz B&WG3 to Panther from 9.2.2. I have read
one or two posts where things have gone wrong so i am anxious to avoid that.
I want to keep internet settings e.t.c. i currently have on 9.2.2. but obviously
will want to use Safari which comes with OSX. In short, i want to install OSX
sit down and start using the internet straight away! (Don't we all!).
I note there are two install options 1) erase and install and 2) archive and install.
Which should be used for this upgrade? Does either option impact on the retention of
existing internet settings? I really don't want to be calling my internet provider to
sort out my settings.
Failing all of the above, how do i gather all the settings i need and how do i then
get Safari to use my existing internet provider?
Thanks very much, i know there is a lot in this post.
Regards
Andrew

Hi, Andrew -
It sounds as if you do not already have any OSX installed on the machine at this time, only OS 9.2.2.
If that is the case, then the default setting for the installation of OSX will be "Install Mac OSX", and not either "Archive and Install" nor "Erase and Install"; one of those can be selected. but it is not necessary to do so. If you do not select either of those latter choices, then OSX will be installed with no other changes made to the hard drive's contents.
OSX does not install on top of OS 9. If you keep the default "Install Mac OSX" choice, then OSX will be installed alongside OS 9. OS 9 will remian as a bootable OS, and can also be designated for use as Classic under OSX. Note that an OSX install from a retail package (which is what you should use, not an OEM disk set that came with another machine) can not install Classic (OS 9).
Since OSX is installed alongside OS 9, none of the settings in OS 9 will be (nor can be) automatically transferred to the OSX install - you will need to do that manually. What settings that will be depends upon what kind of service you have now (dial-up, DSL, or cable). Setup for broadband (DSL or cable) is usually very easy and simple, often requiring no note taking at all.
You will need about 3GB of drive space to install OSX 10.3; and it runs best when there is about 5GB of free space left over after the install of OSX. If your drive space is limited, you can reduce the space needed for the install of OSX by eliminating all languages except the one you want to use; there is a custom option in the OSX installer to do that.
Important -
• Download and run DIMM First Aid before installing OSX. It will verify whether your RAM is compatible (some 3rd party RAM a few years ago was a bit sub-spec, passable for OS 9 but not for OSX).
• Be sure the firmware on the machine has been updated before installinng OSX, and ideally before even booting the machine to OSX -
Article #86117 - Firmware Updates

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