Back flushing for collective confirmation
hi friends
While confirmation of production order in CO11N system is not allowing to do confirmation if any deficit of BOM components. All materials are set as backflushed.
Where as while confirming in collective in t.code: CO12 , system is allowing to do confirmation even if stock not availble in particular storage location. I want to terminate the transaction if stock not availble. How to configure this for collective confirmation. pl suggest me.
regards
ssp
Hi,
This feature is not available for CO12.
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We define the Error Handling ( Termination) etc. in the Transaction OPK4, Tab page" General Individual Entry".
The Confirmation Parameters for this tab page are only available for the Transactions:CO11, CO11N, CO19, CO1F & CO15.
So, you can not use this feature for CO12. For above said Transactions only you can restrict the Goods Movement Errors.
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Hope this clarifies..
Regards,
Siva
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Doubt abt T.C OPKI (Confirmation parameter for collective confirmation)
Hello Friend,
In OPKI Transaction,there are by default 3 categories are maintained and for which confirmation parameters are maintained.
Now my question is , what is meant by third category "Confirmation by Order Information System"? I mean for which transaction (confirmation),this parameter is maintained?
I hope you understood by question.
Thanks and Regards,
Jitendra D ChauhanConfirmation from order info systems:
It refers that in collective entry the work to be confirmed is calculated proportionally to the quantity and is at once proposed on the entry list. and specifies that in the collective entry the quantities still to be confirmed are immediately proposed on the entry list.
Fast data entry:
in the collective entry the quantities still to be confirmed are not proposed and the work still to be confirmed is not proposed..
karthick -
Hi,
We are using back flushing for all our materials in production. While confirming the order in the goods movement system shows the quantity as per BOM calculation (order quantity * BOM quantity). System is accepting what ever quantity I enter.
Ex: As per BOM calculation quantity is 100 kg. During goods movement, If I enter 1 kg or 200Kg also system is accepting the quantity. Is there is any setting to set any tolerance limit?
Regards / USDear Umashankar,
1.There is not standard setting to control the quantity to be posted during CO11N.
2.Is there so much of deviation in component consumption than the planned one?If so means modify your BOM first and then
execute the SFC process.
3.Is this your business requirement or just to explore more about the system behaviour have you posted this query?If it's a
business requirement means I would suggest you Check by some enhancement either to stop modifying the component quantity
or else to fix some % of tolerance.
WORKORDER_CONFIRM
WORKORDER_GOODSMVT
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Check and revert back.
Regards
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How to use collective confirmation CO12
can any body explain me how to use collective confirmation CO12 with screen dump.
Plz helpHi Viswa,
Prerequisites:
You can predefine values to identify confirmations and to determine default values in Conf. parameters for collective confirmation/fast entry (Customizing for Shop Floor Control by choosing Operations ® Confirmation ® Confirmation Parameters Collective Entry/Fast Entry):
Identifying the confirmation
You can identify an individual confirmation either by the confirmation number or the order number/operation number.
Suggest actual data
You can define whether and when (after entry, during saving) quantities (see Determining a Default for Yield) or activities are suggested. The default setting is that no quantities are suggested and activities are determined during saving. Personnel data and dates are always suggested.
Procedure:
Choose Logistics ® Production ® Shop floor control ® Confirmation ® Enter ® For operation ® Collective entry.
The screen for collective entry of confirmations appears.
In this screen you can enter confirmations in a table (table control). You enter a new confirmation in each line. You can control the appearance of the table yourself.
You can change the type of confirmation identification during input. To do so choose Other view.
Enter all the data needed for the confirmations. Each line corresponds to a new confirmation. In this line you have all the fields that are available in single entry of a time ticket confirmation.
On the top line of the screen you can enter default values (for example unit of measure, personnel number) that are copied to all confirmations. Enter the values and choose This graphic is explained in the accompanying text. You can save these default values for a specific user, so that they are preset the next time the user logs on. You can also delete these defaults.
With this function, you can let the system suggest actual data (quantities, activities, dates, personnel data). To do so, select the confirmations, choose This graphic is explained in the accompanying text Propose actual data, set the indicator for the relevant actual data and choose This graphic is explained in the accompanying text. This data overwrites data that you may have already entered.
Save your confirmations.
Note
To reach the Actual data screen for the selected confirmations choose This graphic is explained in the accompanying text. Here you have the complete functionality of time ticket confirmation. From this screen you can go to the detail screens and to the goods movement overview. If several confirmation have been selected, you can switch between the individual confirmations.
Note
You can switch to the goods movement overview from the collective entry screen (choose This graphic is explained in the accompanying text Goods movements). In this screen the goods movements for the selected confirmations are displayed.
You can check and, if necessary, change the goods movements. When you go back to the collective entry screen, the GM indicator is set for the selected confirmations (goods movements for confirmations already determined). As soon as you save a confirmation, the goods movements are also posted.
For more information choose the GOODS MOVEMENT OVER VIEW.
Regards,
Madhu.G
Edited by: madhu333mac on Jan 11, 2012 11:34 PM -
How to post back for activity confirmation
Dear QM guru here,
I have QM order link to inspection lot, order type is QL01.
during i record result, i also confirm activity of labor processing.
my problem is the screen of confirmation activity have only 3 field can input. 1. activity quantity 2. work center 3. plant.
so every time i confirm activity system always record as system date.
but i would like to post back to the previous. so can we config to change this screen to show date that allow to change during confirmation.
Thank you in advance.
Konnapahi,
Yes u may change the screen content but for that u need the screen no. and u may also take the help of an ABAPr, for screen modifications. and if u want back date posting than use user exit QLCO0002 for this.
or if u simply want the proposed dates or confirmation dates (Previous) than u need to check ur config. -
> Parameters for order Confirmation.
Regards
Edited by: D GURU on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM -
Collective confirmation for operation
Hi expert
my requirement is below.
suppose in my maintenance order I have three operation
operation 1 with 8hrs 4 person with 2 hr each
operation 2 with 6 hrs 3 person with 2hr each
operation 3 with 4 hr 1person with 4hr
Ii go in IW48 collective confirmation there i do confirmation for only operation 1. save it
next time again I go in iw48 I expect remaining two operation should come in list as for first operation is finally complete.
but it not happens . it is display in list and shows worning meassage for operation 1 while doing again confirmation .
worning meassage is fine but I want even that operation should not come in list . only those operation who are not confirm that should only dispaly in list
how to do this ??
Regards,
prasadHi Narasimhan
Thanks
but I tried that also .
this status is system status for order right ?
what happens ......my orderr is having three operation outof this 1 is finaly completed and two are partially . So my order status remains PCNF . so now if I put PCNF status in said field then also all three operation get displayed in next screen
where I want only two operation for which confirmation is not done that should display
one more thing .. ....................when I put selection criteria in IW48 ,in next screen I can able to see all confirmation no and order no matching the criteria .then I select confirmation no and click on ALL ACTUAL DATA button. this showns me conifrmation details and shows error for those finaly completed
Is this right way to make collective confirmation ??
regards,
Prasad -
Back Flushing Vendor consigment Material in process order
Dear Experts,
I have a question Regarding Vendor consignment back flushing
while i am doing order confirmation system not proposing vendor name and in good movement tab
may i know what configuration or master data setup is missing
My requirment is i need to back flush vendor consginment material automatically
currently i need to manually choose the vendor while confiming the order
Thanks in advance
Rgrds
RajDear Experts,
I manage to use stock determination group for back flushing consignment material
it works fine system automatically picking up vendor as we do not have multiple vendors
now i have new issue
for instance
i have a RAW material A used in a Product A when i do confirmation system can able to do back flush with movement type 261 K
i am using same RAW material A used in product B and when i do confirmation system give me a error
as below
Pipeline/consignment movement posted without value
Message no. M7234Diagnosis
The system has determined a consignment/pipeline price of 0.00.
Possible reasons:
The system could not find any valid condition for the posting date in the consignment/pipeline info record.
A price of 0.00 was defined in the info record.
System Response
Depending on how the system is configured, the message can be either a warning or an error message.
A withdrawal from this consignment stock or from the pipeline will not create vendor liabilities. For materials with moving average price control, withdrawals are posted without value. For materials with standard price control, a price difference posting is carried out.
The message is also issued when materials are received into consignment stock, as the system must check whether a consignment price of zero is required.
Procedure
If you have authorization, check whether the conditions or the price has been defined correctly in the info record, if necessary. If there is a condition with a price other than zero, check whether the posting date of the movement lies within the condition's validity period.
Proceed
just wonder does any one have this issue
so strange i can issue to product A and not product B
Please help me if you have any problem
Rgrds
Raj -
what is the concept of back flushing?
Hi,
Normally backflushing is set for raw materials / semi finished componenets. You can set the indicator in Material master MRP view 2 or in the Routing component assignment.
When you confirm the last operation of a order, then all the material componenet in the BOM (with backflush indicator) will be issued to the order using 261 mvmt type. So you don't have to do it manually using MIGO or using MB1B.
Thanks,
JK -
REM Back flush using firmed planned orders
Dear Gurus,
We are using REM manufacturing process in SAP , we are doing backflush for stage wise confirmation and final confirmation.while doing this we are not referring any planned orders as reference.
if we update new part numbers in BOM the system asking for the availbilty of that particular new part numbers but physically we are having old materials .
we want to consume that old materials how it possible in the MFBF t.code.
if any one please help me , if I firmed a planned order with quatity or date then sytem will ask the old materials instead of new one.
pls explain what is planned orders and their impact on MRP ?
how we can firmed that planned, if i firmed what is the impact duirng backflushing?.
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Suresh babu.s
WIN - IS.
SureshHi
please compare the process when you create the production order manually in Co01 instead of creating the production order by converting the planned order.
Here you are carrying out back flush with out refering the planned order.
It is like creating the production order manually.
In such case system will always look the BOM as of now.
It will not refer any of the planned order & the components there in.
If you want to consume the old parts instead of new parts , you can delete the new part numbers & add the old ones in MFBF. this will be allowed by system.
In this case you are back flushing with out reference to planned orders.System will not ask for old components at all whether planned order is firmed or not.
Once if planned order is firmed a star (*) mark will appear in MD04 near the planned order number.
Once if the planned order is firmed, it will not be changed in subsequent MRP Run.
Hope it is clear.
Pl. award if it is clear else pl. update.
Regards
YMREDDY -
dear all,
I still confuse with back flushing, what is backflushing? and maybe you can give some example of backflushing process?
thank youDear Marufat,
Discrete Scenario:
Backflush is nothing but the automatic Good's issue of the material at the time of order confirmation.
It means consumption of the components has taken place in order to manufacture a product.
261 movements happens for the backflushed component's,for this you have to set the indicator either in
the material master (MRP 2 view or else in the work center or else in the routing).
If you are using Discrete concept means then this setting has to be made manually in any one of these fields and in the case of
REM scenario no need to set this indicator in either of the material master or else work center or else in rate routing.
If you are not going for backflush concept means then you have to issue the matertials to the order
manually using MB1A T Code.
REM scenario:
Again in REM scenario there are 3 types of backflush,
1.Assembly backflush(normally GR,GI and activities are posted - 131,261 and activites are posted) or vice versa like 132,262.
2.Component backflush(normally GI alone happens - 261/262 happens)
3.Activity backflush(only the operations are posted)
All these backflushes are performed using MFBF/MF42N.
Check and revert back.
Regards
Mangalraj.S -
Back Flush Compared to Manual GI
Hello,
I am comparing the pros & cons of Backflush with Manual GI to suggest the suitable solution .. the points that I could think at top of my head are as follows ..
Back Flush
Pros
Minimal human intervention
User's with limited understanding can function
Faster goods issue process
Cons
Large cumulative variance in system & actual stock figures over time in most cases
Not Recommended for high value material
Salient Feature: Suggested for low cost & less critical BOM components where there is not much financial/ logistic impact with variance within tolerances.
Manual GI
Pros
Accurate consumption can be captured
Better actual & system inventory figure sync
Accurate inventory figures enables better requirement planning
Cons
Recommended for matured users
Labour intensive (Manual activity)
Demand discipline in terms of reporting the consumption error posting due to stock deficit etc
Salient Feature: Recommended for high price & critical BOM components where consumption needs to be captured more accurately.
Please suggest your views on expriences across differrent clients ...Dear,
Apart from Bcakflush and manulgood issue please check this also, Good issue can be done through MB1A, COO1N, CO15. CO27.
Transactions CO27/COIK are lists, based on the order information system, whereas Transaction MB26 is reservation-based. However, it is also possible to make an order-based selection in Transaction MB26 using the 'Production order' selection window. In this case, both lists should also issue the same components for identical orders.
In the event of incorrect goods movements in Transaction COGI, picking using Transaction MB26 generates postprocessing records, whereas Transactions CO27 and COIK send an error handling. If the goods movements cannot be corrected, the records are returned unchanged.
Picking using Transaction MB26 can be scheduled as a background job.
This is not possible with Transaction CO27/COIK.
In Transactions COIK/COHV, you can use mass processing to store goods movements of the picking as future change records and you can then update them later using a report (for example CORUPROC). There is no function of this type in Transaction MB26.
Coming to your pron and cos,
In backflush you need to use the program CORUPROC to update COGI or terminted inccoreted good movement through OPK4.
Else it is very eassy process but 311 you need to use for transfer from the Ware House to Production stroage loaction.
Unplanned good issue you need to define in confirmtaion screen but there are chances of miss mach of quantity due to manual entry. So here you need screen control.
In correct good issue you need to cancle the confirmation but in Manual good issue you can do it seperatly.
But in manual good issue it is possible to confirm the order without good issue.
Hope it will help you.
Regards,
R.Brahmankar -
what does it mean by back flushing please let me know
Hello
Backflushing is nothing but automatic goods issue. System will automatically posts the goods issue when you confirm the operations.You have no need to make manual issue. It will reduce the effort.
Backflushing is automatic accounting (Goods issues - 261 mvt) of material consumed for production, at the time of confirmation. Eg. When a 4 wheeler automobile is rolled out from assy line, 4 wheels & Tyres are deemed to be consumed and issued to production order automatically by way of backflushing by the system.
Assy line picks the material from stores/ Assy line and use.
No Physical issue & Manual posting ( Goods Issue) by Stores.
Backflush is used for material which are a must and having fixed relationship.
This can be configured in MRP2 Screen,Work center, Routing and production order.
Each has some special function.
If you configure this in routing or production order you have no need to activate this in MRP2 or Work center screen.
MRP2 Screen defines whether material components are backflushed are to be made at the work center.
Sometimes Backlogs are created due to different reasons if Backflush is active
This message tells that "there is no sufficient stocks for the bom component/not able to backflush all the material due to plant data locked etc" at the time of backflushing the BOM Material and hence the Post-processing list is created that you have to Re-process for stock updation of each material.
To avoid this you can confirm the following things.
1.Ensure that suffecicient stock is available in the backflushing locations of each materail.
2.To prevent the generation of "post-processing list" you can block the BOM from getting backflushed if sufficient stock is not available in specified location for the BOM COMPONENTS. To do this change the "REM profile" to "002"in MRP4 view for the BOM MATERIAL.(if the profile is not available you can crate it through SPRO).
3. To clear the existing Backlog use transcation MF47 and re-process(be ensure that required stocks is available for each bom component)
Regards -
Activity usage will be back flushed at target
How can I confirm activity usage by back flushing target quantities based on actual quantity delivered into stock from a process order?
Could you please advise how we can do the above?
Currently we are confirming the activity based on the planned hrs. But how could it be possible in SAP to Confirm the activity usage based on the delivered stock from a process order
The above is only relevant to Activity but not component materials.
Thank youhi,
Use t.code CO11N for activity confirmation.
thx,
Ganu -
Back flush with both Packet and Bucket
Dear all,
We produce consumer goods in our company and we maintain Finish Goods in Packet and Bucket. Can we key in Back flush in both unit Packet and Bucket?
E.g we have Finish Goods A, Qty = 10 Bucket and 23 Packet
(1 Bucket = 40 Packet)
Can we input into Backflush : 10 Bucket + 23 Packet ?
Or we can input by (10*40+23) Packet only?
Pls advise us.
Thank you very much!
CHCH,
Why do you want to backflush the finished goods.
I think you want to do auto GR for this FG on order.
If that is the case then you can do following things.
You have the base unit of measure as packet.
In the material master of that FG, in the work scheduling view enter order unit as bucket.
As soon as you enter system will give you pop up.
Manintain the relation of both the units there & save.
Henceforth whenever the production order will be created it will pick up the unit as bucket with relation given in packet in the order header.
Put auto GR control key in one of the operation in the order.
So it will suggest the GR with confirmation.
In MMBE you can see the stock with any of the unit.
Hope this helps you.
SmanS -
I have activated backflush in routing but when i am confirming the order goods movement screen is blank so i went to co02 and saw the BOM here backflush is not activted so i checked the backflush box and saved the order and again when i went to confirmation goods movement screen is availble with 261 movement.
here why the back flush is not happening even when i marked the backflush indicator in routing. it has happened for almost 20 production orders and it got stopped suddenly. But still the back flush is in active mode in routing.
so every time i am going to co02 and ticking the backflush in component overview.
I am using alternative BOM 2 is it effecting anywhere.
Thanks.Hi,
Backflush is used for material which are a must and having fixed relationship.
This can be configured in
MRP2 Screen,
Work center,
Routing and
production order.
If you configure this in routing or production order you have no need to activate this in MRP2 or Work center screen.
MRP2 Screen defines whether material components are always backflushed or work center to decide whether to backflush or mot.
If you want to always backflush your material then in MRP2 view choose 1 so that each time while confirmation it will backflush the material.
Yes, alternate 2 BOM is affecting.
Regards,
Alok Tiwari
Edited by: Alok Kumar Tiwari on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 AM
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