Basic:Metro Ethernet and DWDM vs SONET question

Hey, my understanding is that in order to deliver Metro Ethernet solutions, one system must be based on DWDM.
SONET, for example, cannot deliver Metro Ethernetsince that is based on TDM (not Ethernet, duhhh).
If the above is right, so I want to confirm that there is no other technology out there besides DWDM which can deliver Metro Ethernet services for enterprise customers?

Any number of underlying technologies can be used to deliver Metro Ethernet services - DWDM, SONET, pure play Ethernet over metro area fiber, etc.
It's more of an economic (what installed base does the carrier have or able to obtain the use of and at what cost) and efficiency (how much of the overall capacity can be feasibly broken into resellable Ethernet services without too much stranded or wasted capacity) question than a technological one. Some technologies lend themselves better to one or the other of those factors thus their dominance in certain markets.
The industry is very adept at achieving previously unthought-of solutions through the introduction of additional layers of abstraction (e., Ethernet over SONET, inverse multiplexing, etc.)

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Metro ethernet and ethernet

Hi all,
I am new to metro ethernet concept. Can someone give me a head start and also, what are the differences in ME switches and normal switches ?

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As Peter wrote, Metro Ethernet is a vast topic. However, from a non-provider perspective, the idea is to allow interconnecting widely physically separated (your) site networks just about as simply and similar to connecting your LAN together at one of your sites. I.e. you just connect different (your) site devices with an Ethernet connection, and you use that connection pretty much like you would any other Ethernet link between your devices.
From a carrier or MAN provider perspective, running a widely distributed, multiple customer Metro Ethernet (or a carrier Ethernet) network, you'll want some features not found in (as you say) "normal" Ethernet equipment.
What's different about Metro Ethernet switches is they generally offer features not found in "normal" Ethernet switches. Again, from a non-provider perspective, you often only need/desire a few additional features (and for that reason, it's not uncommon for non-providers to use "normal" Ethernet switches with Metro E - I've also seen Metro E switches used with "ordinary" LAN Ethernet networks). From a provider's (carrier's) perceptive, you'll really want more features. Because of these two perspectives, you'll often find Metro Ethernet switches marketed to non-providers, and Carrier Grade Ethernet switches marketed to the MAN Ethernet providers.

Basic Title safe and action safe zones questions

1.) Why is it that a title needs to be within the inner square, otherwise it may not display on a TV, though action can still take place in the outer square outside the title safe zone and it is still fine?
2.) Do these zones apply to CRT televisions, LCD, Plasmas, and video intended for being displayed through a projector the same way?
Thanks.

1. Safe area and safe title were developed many years ago, back when folks had TV sets with rounded corners. There was a real risk that a title would not be displayed in full if it went outside the boundary.
Pictures are interpretated differently to text. If say, someones left shoulder and arm are out of picture, it is obvious what is missing. An incomplete title can easily be misunderstood or not understood at all.
2. Unless you have absolute control over the device which will be displaying your movie, apply the rules to everything.

Metro Ethernet Switches Network Implementations

I wish that Cisco would collect as many as network scenarios and pratical configurations for 3750ME, Metro Ethernet, and MPLS, starting with few basic one.
Cut down the marketing materials. It will benefits all customers and cut down supports.

There are lot of such materials.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps5532/tsd_products_support_series_home.html
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns341/ns396/ns223/ns227/networking_solutions_sub_solution.html
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk436/tsd_technology_support_category_home.html
Hope this helps

Metro Ethernet newbie needs help

Need to configure new 15 site Metro Ethernet network with this physical topology:
x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x
|oooooooooooooo|
X====X-X==x==X
|oooooooooooooo|
x======x======x
x=7604, X=7606
= 2x 10Gb Ethernet
- 2x 1Gb Ethernet
This network will provide metro ethernet services to several customers, but for now we only have one ME-3400G-2CS switch on each site.
I've been reading about Metro Ethernet and MPLS technology for a few days now and I still don't have any clue how I'm going to put all this working together. Can anyone help me?

As a metro Ethernet solution for service providers Cisco has launched a new product âCisco ME 6524 Ethernet Switchâ which is optimized for service provider locations where space and power are at a premium, this 1.5-rack-unit device cost-effectively meets the stringent performance, reliability, and quality of service (QoS) requirements of triple play and VPN services. It enables Gigabit Ethernet access for fiber and copper deployments.
The below URL may help you:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/solutions/ns341/ns524/ns562/ns577/networking_solution_announcement0900aecd8040bfc5.html
The following URL explains about the troubleshooting, installing, removal and replacement procedures of 7600 series router.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/7600/Hardware/Chassis_Installation/7600_Series_Router_Installation_Guide/instal.html
The following URL's contains information about how to initially configure the Cisco 7600 series router also about the complete configuration of 7600 series router
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/7600/ios/12.2SXF/configuration/guide/supcfg.html
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/7600/ios/12.2SXF/configuration/guide/swcg.html

Is Metro-ethernet Secured ? Compare with FR/ATM

Hi,
Just would like to understand if Metro-ethernet has the same security level as FR and ATM ? Metro-ethernet has broadcast nature and it seems mirroring ethernet frame is much more easier than FR and ATM . Is there any study onto the security issues presented in the Metro-ethernet technology ?
I see a lot of customers doing IPSec on the Metro-ethernet and they don't do this on the FR or ATM links ?
Thanks

I have not seen any document, but my understanding is that FR and ATM networks do not have broadcast capability which is an inherent security feature. Sites can communicte only if a VC is configured between them. In metro ethernet, broadcasting is possible and the providers have to implement security to islolate customers by configuring some feature. Since the customers may not trust the level of security provided by the providers, they may choose to run IPSec over this type of access.

Integrating Metro Ethernet to DSLAM

Dear friends,
I am very new to Metro Ethernet and currently I am facing a solution problem. The thing is my customer want to deploy a MEtro Ethernet Network, which in turn they should be able to interconnect to a DSLAM network. The specific customer requirements are below, i am getting smoke out of my ears working on this.
1) Deploy a Metro ethernet network and integrate it to DSLAM network
2) Design should be such that customers of my customer (SP) can change his bandwidth limitations. For eg: if the SP's customer wants to have a video conferencing for a few hours then say for some 4 hrs he/she should be able to change the provided bandwidth. The SP should be able to monitor and bill for this.
3) As a section of this Metro Ethernet solution a part should be able to provide video,data,voice and other near future application on EXISTING RJ 11 telephone wire connection at the customer places.
I have only 1.5 yrs experience in networking and that too only on configuring and installing routers,RAS FW switches etc. I have never been to Solution providing and this is the first one. I dont want to lose it. can any one help ???
Pleeeeeeeeease !!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi,
Your requirment seems to be preety simple as far as metro ethernet deployment is concerned.
Suggest you to look for Cisco Service Selection Gateway ( SSG ) feature set on Cisco 72xx,73xx,10K series routers. With SSG coupled with SESM , users have flexibilty of change the bandwidth on the fly and SP can bill him accordingly.
Apart from the requirement of bandwidth change , i would like to make a point that your customer should go for ADSL 2 or 2 + for catering triple play services ( voice,video and data )
As far as metro e network is concerned i would have gig ethernet bandwidth in the backhaul .
If the customer is not so Cisco Savvy , you can look for Juniper SDX platform , which supports COPS !!! ;)
you can reach me a [email protected] for any assitance required .
Raj

SONET Metro Ethernet questions

I was wondering if anyone has had a good/bad experience deploying and working with Metro Ethernet technologies since it is fairly new. I'm planning onto linking a large office 40 miles away to my central office and considered this and PPP OC3 as 2 top choices, I was told I will be able to extend my LAN without any additional hardware, anyone can share their thoughts? reliability?

Hi,
I think it would be better to include Cisco Account Manager/SE for this upgrade, they can guide you better and can come up with LLD for this upgrade, otherwise upgrading your 17 sites without proper planning can cause you serious issues.
Yasir

Metro Ethernet implementation questions

I am planning a Metro Ethernet upgrade for a network I manage. This is the first time I’ve implemented Metro on any network. I’m looking for some suggestions and answers to a couple questions regarding this upgrade.
The current network is Hub and spoke connected by copper lines to 17 different locations from a DS3 @ our HQ. HQ also has a DS3 to the internet which the branch locations go out for internet. At our branches we have a private and public network on different subnets. Each branch location has either a T1 or bonded T1 connected to a Cisco 2801 router then to Netgear PoE managed switch(s).
The upgrade of the DS3 for internet is going to 100 meg. The data side will also be 100meg at HQ, 10meg to our small locations and 100meg to the large.
My question is what do I need to be aware of on our existing network that must change to get this working?
1)      Will I simply go from the layer2 Metro Switch to our router?
2)      Should I remove the router and go directly to the Netgear switch?
3)      Do I need to VLAN the private and public networks?
4)      Do I need to change routing tables?
Thoughts and/or suggestions welcome.
Let me know if more information is required to assist in answers.
Thanks

Hi,
I think it would be better to include Cisco Account Manager/SE for this upgrade, they can guide you better and can come up with LLD for this upgrade, otherwise upgrading your 17 sites without proper planning can cause you serious issues.
Yasir

Question regarding ONT connection via Ethernet and Cable cards

Hi,
We recently upgraded to Fios Quation 150Mbps/65 plan. We are not getting the advertised speeds (we only get like 5mbps upload) so verizon is sending a tech to switch the ONT connection from coax to ethernet.
I have 2 questions regarding this new setup:
1. If the ONT communicates with the Fios Actiontect router via ethernet instead of coax from now on, How will the set top boxes and Tivo-esque cable card powered device I currently have connected to coax, talk to the verizon system from now on, if coax is taken out of the equation? Will fios signal still flow through the internal coax wiring of the house? And moreover, I was under the impression that coax was the way set top boxes communicated and derived independent ip addresses from the Fios router, for on deman purposes and what not. How will this work from now on?
Quiestion 2.
Right next to the wall where the ONT sits, theres's a basement office where we have a PC that connects to the Fios system via an Actiontect MoCa adapter (ECB2500C) which I assume derives it internet connection from the Fios Actiontec router which sits upstairs in the living room.
Again, with the Coax about to be disabled next Friday in favor of ethernet connection from the ONT, I assume this PC will be left without internet because of the lack of internet signal in the coax? Is this correct?
Question 2.5 If my above assumption is correct, since this office is right on the other side of the wall where the ONT sits outside the house, would it be possible to run an ethernet wire through the wall that connects straight from the ONT to an ethernet switch inside the office, from which I would derive a connection for this basement PC (properly firewalled of course) and then, from said switch, continue running the ethernet wire that would ultimately reach the Actiontec Fios router upstairs from which the rest of the house derives it's internet? and would this setup affect in any way the propper functioning of the cable boxes in the house?
I'd appreciate your input and any help you can provide so I can have a ballpark idea of what to tell the Fios guy to do when he comes on Friday.
Cheers.
Solved!
Go to Solution.

It's not valid to have two devices connected to the ONT, PC and VZ Router. Must be a single device. The ONT locks onto the MAC Address of the first device it sees. Since you have TV you should have the VZ router as the internet facing router.
Other options:
1. Have the VZ Router located next to the PC in the basement and then use Wireless for all other PC's.
2. Have the VZ Router located next to the PC in the basement but run one wire upstairs and connect a switch where other PCs and devices can connect via a wire.
Hope that helps.

VPLS and H-VPLS w.r.t Metro Ethernet

Can someone please explain me VPLS and H-VPLS as to how it can be used in a Metro Ethernet Environment????Any diagramatic explanation will be highly appreciable...
Regards,
NISHA

Thanks a lot for the presentations Harot...
As I'm a bit new to MPLS technology, I have some doubts in my mind so far Layer 3 VPNs are concerned. Let's consider a typical Scenario :
CE-->PE-->P-->P-->PE-->CE....
Could u pls tell me where MP-BGP runs (whether in PE to P or PE to CE b'coz somewhere i read the protocol used between PE-CE is MP-BGP and that's why I'm confused) and what is it's purpose. So far I know MP-BGP is run in order to make the VPNv4 routes unique i.e IPV4+VPNv4. I would highly appreciate ur feedback if u explain the layer 3 concept entirely protocol wise...i.e IGP, MP-BGP in a MPLS domain. What I know so far is CE-PE protocol can be anything right from static to BGP. P-PE is MP-BGP.
Kindly pl. correct me wherever I'm wrong...
Thanks in advance...
NISHA

Metro Ethernet Design question

Hello,
I was wondering how service providers guarantee their security protection in the Metro Ethernet model, especially when Internet is one of the applications used over the Metro network.
For example: The customer edge switch (3550) is connected directly to the service provider aggregation layer(either Cisco Catalyst 4500 and 6500 Series switches ) .
In the network core, Cisco 12000 or Cisco 7600 Series routers.
So where is the security devices in this architecture, where is the firewalls, the IDS/IPS, that protects the service provider core from any threats.
Providing the customer with Internet in Ethernet switching technology the service will put the provider in a vulnerable position.
Am I thinking wrong here?

Hi
The CE will be hardened using storm control both multicast as well as broadcast on the ports where the end users are connected.
About the accesiability between the other users who are connected on the ports of same switches you have switchport security coded which will take care of the access violation part.
Also the maximum no of MAC address which can be permitted/allowed over the ports.
This inturn will send u a trap and can shut the port if theres any violation detected on those ports..
In the next layer where u say 6500 or 7600 u will have FWSM modules which will be taking care of filtering and other funtionalities which is very much similar to a standalone PIX firewall.
you can have redundandcy or even load balancing with
the FWSM modules over there in the 6500 switches.
And ofcourse the IP addressing schemes deployed would be in private scopes and will have either NAT pools or PAT enabled in the FWSM.
you got to have more n more ACLS on all the devices to mitigate the general known worms/virus or their variants in the network applied in applicable points.
regds

Metro Ethernet 3550 IOS

Hello,
Just a basic question:
Is there an recommended IOS version for a Cat 3550 acting as a U-PE in a Metro Ethernet implementation?
Thanks!

The Catalyst 3550 will now provide limited support for Policy Based Routing (PBR), while Catalyst 3550 Metro Ethernet users can benefit from Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol enhancements, which allow configuration of drop and shut-down thresholds based on ingress packet rates.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1833/prod_bulletin09186a008014eed1.html

Bellsouth Metro Ethernet -- is it QinQ?

I have a customer who has bought some connections from Bellsouth's Metro Ethernet product. I am having a tough time getting someone at Bellsouth to give me any information about the product.
Are they just using QinQ (802.1q tunneling) to make it all happen? If that's the case then I should just trunk to them with 802.1q and not have to do anything else, I believe keeping the native vlan 1 should even be fine. If anyone knows anything about this or has connected sites using the Bellsouth metro-e product please let me know.
Brian

Hello,
looks like it is Ethernet over SONET, with a possibility to migrate it to EoMPLS:
"Currently BellSouth uses a specialty Ethernet switch to support its shared multipoint offering, but that may change. "We're converting to more of a general purpose device that will be part of our MPLS network and will deliver Ethernet and other services," hints Kaish.
Some carriers have implemented shared multipoint services directly over fiber, which means that those services do not include Sonet restoration capability, effectively limiting them to non-critical traffic. But BellSouth's metro Ethernet network is Sonet-based and customers can leverage Sonet's restoration capabilities, Kaish says."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DUJ/is_13_107/ai_108408900
Another source of information supporting the statements above:
http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2004/prod_070604.html
In any case this does not mean straight forward, that you can use the service to setup trunks between your switches. This depends on the interface configuration of (presumably) the 7600. They might restrict you to dot1Q with one VLAN or even to plain ethernet.
Hope this helps! Please rate all posts.
Regards, Martin
P.S.: have a look at http://www.metroethernetforum.org/presentations/SC2003_BobSmithEntNet.PDF which should answer many questions! Especially they state "Dedicated Ethernet supports VLAN tagging" - sounds like setting up a dot1Q trunk with them will be supported.

I have 2 imac computers and here are my questions: first, how to I transfer the information from my contact directory from my old imac into my new imac and once the information is transfered how can I print it? Second: I have a large music collection in m

have 2 imac computers and here are my questions: first, how to I transfer the information from my contact directory from my old imac into my new imac? Once the information is transfered how can I print it? Second: I have a large music collection in my old Imac computer how do I transfer this information to my new computer? Also how can I share this information with other computers at home?

I think you may find helpful information here:
A Basic Guide for Migrating to Intel-Macs
The Knowledgebase article Intel-based Mac: Some migrated applications may need to be updated refers to methods of dealing with migrating from PowerPC chips to Intel with the Migration Assistant safely. The authors of this tip have not had a chance to verify this works in all instances, or that it avoids the 10.6.1 and earlier Guest Account bug that caused account information to get deleted upon use of the Migration/Setup Assistant. However, a well backed up source that includes at least two backups of all the data that are not connected to your machine will help you avoid potential issues, should they arise. In event it does not work, follow the steps below.
If you are migrating a PowerPC system (G3, G4, or G5) to an Intel-Mac be careful what you migrate. Keep in mind that some items that may get transferred will not work on Intel machines and may end up causing your computer's operating system to malfunction.
Rosetta supports "software that runs on the PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor that are built for Mac OS X". This excludes the items that are not universal binaries or simply will not work in Rosetta:
Classic Environment, and subsequently any Mac OS 9 or earlier applications
Screensavers written for the PowerPC System Preference add-ons
All Unsanity Haxies Browser and other plug-ins
Contextual Menu Items
Applications which specifically require the PowerPC G5 Kernel extensions
Java applications with JNI (PowerPC) libraries
See also What Can Be Translated by Rosetta.
In addition to the above you could also have problems with migrated cache files and/or cache files containing code that is incompatible.
If you migrate a user folder that contains any of these items, you may find that your Intel-Mac is malfunctioning. It would be wise to take care when migrating your systems from a PowerPC platform to an Intel-Mac platform to assure that you do not migrate these incompatible items.
If you have problems with applications not working, then completely uninstall said application and reinstall it from scratch. Take great care with Java applications and Java-based Peer-to-Peer applications. Many Java apps will not work on Intel-Macs as they are currently compiled. As of this time Limewire, Cabos, and Acquisition are available as universal binaries. Do not install browser plug-ins such as Flash or Shockwave from downloaded installers unless they are universal binaries. The version of OS X installed on your Intel-Mac comes with special compatible versions of Flash and Shockwave plug-ins for use with your browser.
The same problem will exist for any hardware drivers such as mouse software unless the drivers have been compiled as universal binaries. For third-party mice the current choices are USB Overdrive or SteerMouse. Contact the developer or manufacturer of your third-party mouse software to find out when a universal binary version will be available.
Also be careful with some backup utilities and third-party disk repair utilities. Disk Warrior, TechTool Pro , SuperDuper , and Drive Genius work properly on Intel-Macs with Leopard. The same caution may apply to the many "maintenance" utilities that have not yet been converted to universal binaries. Leopard Cache Cleaner, Onyx, TinkerTool System, and Cocktail are now compatible with Leopard.
Before migrating or installing software on your Intel-Mac check MacFixit's Rosetta Compatibility Index.
Additional links that will be helpful to new Intel-Mac users:
Intel In Macs
Apple Guide to Universal Applications
MacInTouch List of Compatible Universal Binaries
MacInTouch List of Rosetta Compatible Applications
MacUpdate List of Intel-Compatible Software
Transferring data with Setup Assistant - Migration Assistant FAQ
Because Migration Assistant isn't the ideal way to migrate from PowerPC to Intel Macs, using Target Disk Mode, copying the critical contents to CD and DVD, an external hard drive, or networking will work better when moving from PowerPC to Intel Macs. The initial section below discusses Target Disk Mode. It is then followed by a section which discusses networking with Macs that lack Firewire.
If both computers support the use of Firewire then you can use the following instructions:
1. Repair the hard drive and permissions using Disk Utility.
2. Backup your data. This is vitally important in case you make a mistake or there's some other problem.
3. Connect a Firewire cable between your old Mac and your new Intel Mac.
4. Startup your old Mac in Transferring files between two computers using FireWire.
5. Startup your new Mac for the first time, go through the setup and registration screens, but do NOT migrate data over. Get to your desktop on the new Mac without migrating any new data over.
If you are not able to use a Firewire connection (for example you have a Late 2008 MacBook that only supports USB:)
1. Set up a local home network: Creating a small Ethernet Network.
2. If you have a MacBook Air or Late 2008 MacBook see the following:
MacBook (13-inch, Aluminum, Late 2008) and MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2008)- What to do if migration is unsuccessful;
MacBook Air- Migration Tips and Tricks;
MacBook Air- Remote Disc, Migration, or Remote Install Mac OS X and wireless 802.11n networks.
Copy the following items from your old Mac to the new Mac:
In your /Home/ folder: Documents, Movies, Music, Pictures, and Sites folders.
In your /Home/Library/ folder:
/Home/Library/Application Support/AddressBook (copy the whole folder) /Home/Library/Application Support/iCal (copy the whole folder)
Also in /Home/Library/Application Support (copy whatever else you need including folders for any third-party applications)
/Home/Library/Keychains (copy the whole folder) /Home/Library/Mail (copy the whole folder) /Home/Library/Preferences/ (copy the whole folder) /Home /Library/Calendars (copy the whole folder) /Home /Library/iTunes (copy the whole folder) /Home /Library/Safari (copy the whole folder)
If you want cookies:
/Home/Library/Cookies/Cookies.plist /Home/Library/Application Support/WebFoundation/HTTPCookies.plist
For Entourage users:
Entourage is in /Home/Documents/Microsoft User Data Also in /Home/Library/Preferences/Microsoft.
Credit goes to Macjack for this information.
If you need to transfer data for other applications please ask the vendor or ask in the Discussions where specific applications store their data.
5. Once you have transferred what you need restart the new Mac and test to make sure the contents are there for each of the applications.
Written by Kappy with additional contributions from a brody.Revised 5/21/2011

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